!["The common denominator on all the mass shootings have been these semi-automatic rifles and handguns with large ammunition clips" NOT whether or not there was an armed person nearby.
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Micah David
Naziri The AR-15 chambered in .223 was designed for maximum
lightness of weight. The round is a small caliber round, illegal to use for
hunting in most places because the AR-15 is not powerful enough to kill larger
animals with one shot. There are more people killed with baseball bats every
year than AR-15s.
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Trevino Michah Micah David Naziri COULD
you please povide us with data on baseball bat deaths and are they accidental
Micah David
Naziri Not accidental at all, you can find all of this on the FBI's
website. One of my students is a fed and he was the first to clue me in to
this. AR-15s are almost very used in homicides in spite of the fact that there
are MILLIONS of them in the US, including several in my gun safe which have
never harmed anyone.
Micah David
Naziri Not accidental at all, you can find all of this on the FBI's
website. One of my students is a fed and he was the first to clue me in to
this. AR-15s are almost never used in homicides in spite of the fact that there
are MILLIONS of them in the US, including several in my gun safe which have
never harmed anyone.
Soup McGee
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/07/conservatives_demand_hammer_control/
""Now, while rifles account for only a few hundred homicides every
year, guns overall are responsible for many, many more murders — almost all of
them. If you add up all the other methods used to kill people in 2011 (fire,
drowning, poison, strangling, hammers, etc.), you get 4,081 non-gun homicides.
That’s fewer than half of the 8,583 gun homicides. Guns killed more than 17
times more people than hammers and are responsible for nearly 70 percent of
total murders. There’s a reason you don’t hear about mass hammering sprees.
Yes, assault rifles are used in a tiny fraction of guns crimes, about 2 to 8 percent, but petty crime was never the main target of the Assault Weapon Ban. Rather, it’s designed to stop mass shootings, where rifles are vastly overrepresented. Rifles or assault rifles were used to kill John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, and were deployed in the the Beltway sniper attacks, the Columbine massacre, the Aurora movie theater attack, the Oregon shooting in December, the Sandy Hook spree and countless other massacres.""
Yes, assault rifles are used in a tiny fraction of guns crimes, about 2 to 8 percent, but petty crime was never the main target of the Assault Weapon Ban. Rather, it’s designed to stop mass shootings, where rifles are vastly overrepresented. Rifles or assault rifles were used to kill John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, and were deployed in the the Beltway sniper attacks, the Columbine massacre, the Aurora movie theater attack, the Oregon shooting in December, the Sandy Hook spree and countless other massacres.""
Conservative
blogs prove that we don't need gun control because: Hammers
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Hedy
Trevino Data please Micah or a link would do
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Micah David
Naziri JFK and MLK were killed with bold actions hunting rifles Soup
McGee.
Soup McGee
-- answer to the facts on the table, don't deflect---
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Micah David
Naziri Hedy, the link that Soup posted acknowledges the FBI data.
JFK and MLK were killed with bold actions hunting rifles Soup McGee.
Micah David
Naziri Hedy, the link that Soup posted acknowledges the FBI data.
JFK and MLK were killed with bolt actions hunting rifles Soup McGee.
Soup McGee
--" If you add up all the other methods used to kill people in 2011 (fire,
drowning, poison, strangling, hammers, etc.), you get 4,081 non-gun homicides.
That’s fewer than half of the 8,583 gun homicides. Guns killed more than 17
times more people than hammers and are responsible for nearly 70 percent of
total murders. There’s a reason you don’t hear about mass hammering sprees.
Yes, assault rifles are used in a tiny fraction of guns crimes, about 2 to 8 percent, but petty crime was never the main target of the Assault Weapon Ban. Rather, it’s designed to stop mass shootings, where rifles are vastly overrepresented"--
Yes, assault rifles are used in a tiny fraction of guns crimes, about 2 to 8 percent, but petty crime was never the main target of the Assault Weapon Ban. Rather, it’s designed to stop mass shootings, where rifles are vastly overrepresented"--
Soup McGee
--well?--
Micah David
Naziri It's simply not true that all other methods combined are more
than gun murders. Knives are used quite a bit.
Soup McGee
--um. the link I provided sources scholarly studies...you cite yourself. get
over yourself -- http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/violent-crime/violent-crime
In the
FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of...See
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Soup McGee
so the FBI is lying...come on, dude --
Soup McGee
-- the link I provided that you admit is a good sourced correct article says
you are full of shit. Now what? --
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Soup McGee
micah?
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Micah David
Naziri For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a
rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs.
www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/03/FBI-More-People-Killed-With-Hammers-and-Clubs-Each-Year-Than-With-Rifles
www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/03/FBI-More-People-Killed-With-Hammers-and-Clubs-Each-Year-Than-With-Rifles
According
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Hedy
Trevino In other words, people don’t pick up hammers to kill each
other when they can’t get guns. But if all the empirical evidence is against
you, and there are zero credible arguments left to make on your side,
pretending that hammers are more dangerous than guns probably seems like a good
idea.
Micah David
Naziri Soup, we were talking about AR-15s, not illegal blackmarket
handguns.
Soup McGee
--- when I joined the conversation, you added this tidbit:
Micah David Naziri It's simply not true that all other methods combined are more than gun murders. Knives are used quite a bit.
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Um. You are full of shit. Just admit it and move on. --
Micah David Naziri It's simply not true that all other methods combined are more than gun murders. Knives are used quite a bit.
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Soup McGee
-- micah-- from the article you claim to have read-- : "Breitbart.com
added some numbers to the assault hammer crisis, reporting last week that more
people are killed every year with hammers than with rifles. Indeed, according
to FBI’s online homicide database, 611 people were killed with “blunt objects”
(including hammers and clubs) in 2009, compared to just 348 with “rifles.”
This, Breitbart argues, shows that “Democrats’ feverish push to ban many different
rifles” is bogus. The meme took off in the conservative blogosphere and quickly
hit all the most prestigious sites: Fox Nation, World Net Daily (the birther
one), Alex Jones’ site (the weirdly paranoid one), and even the John Birch
Society’s magazine (the other weirdly paranoid one). Even CBS News wrote up the
stat — without crediting Breitbart (or vice versa, it’s unclear which story was
posted first).
It’s a cute little meme, if wildly and obviously dishonest. First of all, set aside the fact that hammers and kitchen knives and cars are useful things outside of their capacity to maim, banning them would have tremendous negative impact on our economy and lifestyles. Guns, on the other hand, are designed specifically, primarily and exclusively for one purpose — to kill things. They have no other purpose, and heavily restricting their use would have no obvious impact on the economy or modern life (hunting will always be allowed)."
Dude, your dissonance is boring.
It’s a cute little meme, if wildly and obviously dishonest. First of all, set aside the fact that hammers and kitchen knives and cars are useful things outside of their capacity to maim, banning them would have tremendous negative impact on our economy and lifestyles. Guns, on the other hand, are designed specifically, primarily and exclusively for one purpose — to kill things. They have no other purpose, and heavily restricting their use would have no obvious impact on the economy or modern life (hunting will always be allowed)."
Dude, your dissonance is boring.
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Hedy
Trevino thanks Soup McGee for the data
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Soup McGee
anytime, my friend Hedy!
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Soup McGee
-- Micah do you have any other links I can demonstrably prove are false for
you? Free service!--
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Hedy
Trevino not only does Micah claim to have read it he actually uses
it as source data to argue his case.
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Soup McGee
^^^that will make it hard for him to discredit the discrediting of the
Breitbart numbers--- come on, Micah... where you at? --
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Soup McGee
-- here's a thought, I hope he comes back with John Lott...chuckle-- http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2003/02/05/the_other_lott_controversy/page/2
"Lott claims to have lost all of his data due to a computer crash. He financed the survey himself and kept no financial records. He has forgotten the names of the students who allegedly helped with the survey and who supposedly dialed thousands of survey respondents long-distance from their own dorm rooms using survey software Lott can't identify or produce. Assuming the survey data was lost in a computer crash, it is still remarkable that Lott could not produce a single, contemporaneous scrap of paper proving the survey's existence, such as the research protocol or survey instrument. After Lindgren's report was published, a Minnesota gun rights activist named David Gross came forward, claiming he was surveyed in 1997.
Some have said that Gross's account proves that the survey was done. I think skepticism is warranted. Lott now admits he used a fake persona, "Mary Rosh," to post voluminous defenses of his work over the Internet. "Rosh" gushed that Lott was "the best professor that I ever had." She/he also penned an effusive review of More Guns, Less Crime on Amazon.com: "It was very interesting reading and Lott writes very well." (Lott claims that one of his sons posted the review in "Rosh's" name.) Just last week, "Rosh" complained on a blog comment board: "Critics such as Lambert and Lindgren ought to slink away and hide."
By itself, there is nothing wrong with using a pseudonym. But Lott's invention of Mary Rosh to praise his own research and blast other scholars is beyond creepy. And it shows his extensive willingness to deceive to protect and promote his work. Some Second Amendment activists believe there is an anti-gun conspiracy to discredit Lott as "payback" for the fall of Michael Bellesiles, the disgraced former Emory University professor who engaged in rampant research fraud to bolster his anti-gun book, Arming America. But it wasn't an anti-gun zealot who unmasked Rosh/Lott. It was Internet blogger Julian Sanchez, a staffer at the libertarian Cato Institute, which staunchly defends the Second Amendment. And it was the conservative Washington Times that first reported last week on the survey dispute in the mainstream press.
In an interview Monday, Lott stressed that his new defensive gun use survey (whose results will be published in the new book) will show similar results to the lost survey. But the existence of the new survey does not lay to rest the still lingering doubts about the old survey's existence. The media coverage of the 1997 survey data dispute, Lott told me, is "a bunch to do about nothing." I wish I could agree."
HA!
"Lott claims to have lost all of his data due to a computer crash. He financed the survey himself and kept no financial records. He has forgotten the names of the students who allegedly helped with the survey and who supposedly dialed thousands of survey respondents long-distance from their own dorm rooms using survey software Lott can't identify or produce. Assuming the survey data was lost in a computer crash, it is still remarkable that Lott could not produce a single, contemporaneous scrap of paper proving the survey's existence, such as the research protocol or survey instrument. After Lindgren's report was published, a Minnesota gun rights activist named David Gross came forward, claiming he was surveyed in 1997.
Some have said that Gross's account proves that the survey was done. I think skepticism is warranted. Lott now admits he used a fake persona, "Mary Rosh," to post voluminous defenses of his work over the Internet. "Rosh" gushed that Lott was "the best professor that I ever had." She/he also penned an effusive review of More Guns, Less Crime on Amazon.com: "It was very interesting reading and Lott writes very well." (Lott claims that one of his sons posted the review in "Rosh's" name.) Just last week, "Rosh" complained on a blog comment board: "Critics such as Lambert and Lindgren ought to slink away and hide."
By itself, there is nothing wrong with using a pseudonym. But Lott's invention of Mary Rosh to praise his own research and blast other scholars is beyond creepy. And it shows his extensive willingness to deceive to protect and promote his work. Some Second Amendment activists believe there is an anti-gun conspiracy to discredit Lott as "payback" for the fall of Michael Bellesiles, the disgraced former Emory University professor who engaged in rampant research fraud to bolster his anti-gun book, Arming America. But it wasn't an anti-gun zealot who unmasked Rosh/Lott. It was Internet blogger Julian Sanchez, a staffer at the libertarian Cato Institute, which staunchly defends the Second Amendment. And it was the conservative Washington Times that first reported last week on the survey dispute in the mainstream press.
In an interview Monday, Lott stressed that his new defensive gun use survey (whose results will be published in the new book) will show similar results to the lost survey. But the existence of the new survey does not lay to rest the still lingering doubts about the old survey's existence. The media coverage of the 1997 survey data dispute, Lott told me, is "a bunch to do about nothing." I wish I could agree."
HA!
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Hedy
Trevino Nothing like evidence based data versus rumors and talking
points from Faux news to silence the herd.
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