Sunday, May 26, 2013

All Kinds, I'm Tellin' Ya. That's What It Takes.

re: Education, Homeschooling, and the TP/Norquistian Natvist Agenda, Using

Rushdoony, Mises, and Lee (R-UT) as the TP example. Keep scrolling, there's lots!
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  • Daniel Paul King Conspiracy Theory of Straw Men and Poisoning the well. Why do you redefine the argument vs understanding it?
  • Robert Thomas Erickson implying this is a bad thing?
  • Soup McGee try reading it before you criticize it; you are only hurting yourself.
  • Soup McGee Consider these two quotes in succession:

    While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State.
    Lenin, "State and Revolution", 1919
    Russian Communist politician & revolutionary (1870 - 1924)
    In a featured column on flashreport.org, Grover Norquist clarifies and defends the default conservative position, making clear that any vote to send tax increases to the ballot is a violation of the taxpayer protection pledge. Further he publicly admonishes any Republican pledge signer who has any doubt about the consequence of wavering: “There is nothing subjective about the determination that voting to refer higher taxes to the ballot is a violation of the taxpayer protection pledge. A vote for tax hikes on the ballot is clearly and indisputably a failure to ‘oppose and vote against any and all efforts to raise taxes’” (“Featured Column”).

    http://soupsauntieoxymoron.blogspot.com/2011/07/simple-question-for-conservatives-in.html
    Saturday, July 16, 2011
    "A Simple Question For Conservatives in General, Signatories in Particular
    The ATR pledge is signed in front of two witnesses, making it legally binding...and hollow, for a government with no revenue AT ALL (as demanded by pledge), even if DC burns)...cannot enforce property rights or the peaceable transfer of power. Will you ever address this fundamental question of your philosophy?"

    Still, I've never heard an acceptable answer. Care to try?
    soupsauntieoxymoron.blogspot.com
    While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there wil...See More
  • Robert Thomas Erickson Okay okay hahah... referring to those who defend liberty as "Lee and his cronies"... that's about the opposite of cronyism. Cronyism is a grab for power, away from the people, centralizing it in the power of the state.

    And in regards to your second post, you do not need a centralized aggressively coercive state to enforce property rights.
  • Soup McGee crony:
    Crony - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/crony
    a close friend especially of long standing : pal · See crony defined for English-language learners ». See crony defined for kids » .

    Don't be a dumbass.
    www.merriam-webster.com
    Definition of crony from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary with audio pronunciations, thesaurus, Word of the Day, and word games.
  • Soup McGee so 'Lee and his cronies' is only offensive if YOU don't trust him; my distrust for him and its reasons are clearly spelled out. Keep reading!
  • Robert Thomas Erickson Okay, the typical use of cronyism in context of a discussion about government is my definition. But whatever.

    The entire basis of this article presupposes a necessity for the state in the first place, which is where they are completely and utterly wrong.
  • Soup McGee SIMPLE QUESTION"

    http://soupsauntieoxymoron.blogspot.com/2011/07/simple-question-for-conservatives-in.html
    Saturday, July 16, 2011
    "A Simple Question For Conservatives in General, Signatories in Particular
    The ATR pledge is signed in front of two witnesses, making it legally binding...and hollow, for a government with no revenue AT ALL (as demanded by pledge), even if DC burns)...cannot enforce property rights or the peaceable transfer of power. Will you ever address this fundamental question of your philosophy?"

    Still, I've never heard an acceptable answer. Care to try?
    soupsauntieoxymoron.blogspot.com
    While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there wil...See More
  • Robert Thomas Erickson >"The ATR pledge is signed in front of two witnesses, making it legally binding...and hollow, for a government with no revenue AT ALL (as demanded by pledge), even if DC burns)...cannot enforce property rights or the peaceable transfer of power. Will you ever address this fundamental question of your philosophy?"

    I'm not sure if I can answer this appropriately, as it is directed at conservatives, a group of which I am not a member.

    However, my personal philosophy contradicts both the legitimacy and necessity of the state, thereby answering the question. Government needs not exist for enforcement of property rights.
  • Soup McGee You sir, appear to be an idiot. Tell me, How will we Peaceably Transfer Power in a government-less, stateless society, lest your plan is to replace it with theocracy? Tell me, I am DYING to know.
  • Soup McGee -- do you question the legitimacy of the President? Is that what you are typing, honestly, into a PUBLIC PHONE LINE? PAID for with TAXES? Wowsers.
  • Robert Thomas Erickson >"You sir, appear to be an idiot."

    You ad hominem is detrimental to productive debate.

    >"How will we Peaceably Transfer Power in a government-less, stateless society, lest your plan is to replace it with theocracy?"

    First, a theocracy is also a state, so I am opposed to that. However, the solution is polycentric law. But I doubt you'd read a wall of text that I would take my precious time typing up, so here's a video explaining it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kPyrq6SEL0

    >" -- do you question the legitimacy of the President? Is that what you are typing, honestly, into a PUBLIC PHONE LINE? PAID for with TAXES? Wowsers."

    Yes, because the majority of Americans not only didn't vote for Obama, but they voted for no one. Why should the opinions of a few oppress the inherent liberty of the many?

    No, I'm not on a "PUBLIC PHONE LINE", I'm on a privately owned internet service provider.
    This is part 2 of my video series exploring a society where law is provided not ...See More
  • Robert Thomas Erickson Also, "private property" now is severely taxed by the government, making it owned only partially by the individual. So no, I do not support the current system of private property.
  • Soup McGee weird, dude. weird. So America is not your country then? You despise the state in every form; is Barack Obama in defiance of the Constitution, or the Constitution just another piece of paper to you? You make no sense; you will NEVER live in a stateless society, not as long as the flag flies, brodie.
  • Soup McGee not as long as the flag flies.
  • Soup McGee dude. weird. OUT.
  • Robert Thomas Erickson Welp I can see that you're interested in intelligent debate, so I'll peace out on this thread.

    SOUP-- because advocating for a stateless society makes ANY sense. Dude. You have to admit America will not suddenly cease to exist, no matter how much you hate America. Productive debate? With someone who starts from the position that the entity that saved my life from a horrible infancy is illegitimate? Well fuck that. I don't want productive debate with People like you who Hate America; I want your positions Loud and Clear for the world to hear!




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