Soup's Auntie OxyMoron: A Rational Conversation (chuckle) Between Two Rational and Sane People

Thursday, September 29, 2011

A Rational Conversation (chuckle) Between Two Rational and Sane People

Steve Mitchell cops are conservatelibans. they like the bushie tea folk and cannot stand real human beings.
2 hours ago · Like · 3 people
Roy Diedesch
actually, i am in police training, and i am a liberal, and i know a LOT of cops. many of them DO in fact hate WBC and want a "piece" of them as well. also, its not all cops that beat protesters as we are deeply embarrassed by the acts of the NYPD. they are a few select members though and it is not fair to classify all police as abusive brutal people. everyone needs to stop generalizing political lines. NEO-cons stop generalizing liberals and liberals stop generalizing neocons. this is the exact reason why our country sucks.
2 hours ago · Like · 4 people
Soup McGee hopes you are willing to cross the blue line, lose your job, or give your life for freedom- if you accept the badge you wear as symbolic of being "me"- should another officer commit a crime in your presence or you become aware of police willfully violating primary rights of citizens. I should hope.
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- Kris Cord
  
  Funny thing about Steve's statement, you can change that to any group - blacks, latinos, women, gays - and it would be considered grossly inappropriate in the liberal scheme of things. But for some reason it's perfectly acceptable to broadbrush a couple hundred thousand cops with this prejudice.
  
  Some of those pictures you look at in the protests, if one has bothered to learn anything about the police, there is absolutely nothing wrong with. Because you have a handful of idiots who can't control themselves like the Deputy Inspector Bologna, people like this think that every cop out there is like that. It's simply not true.
  
  As for cops "willing to cross the blue line" I know cops who have arrested other officers for various crimes. I know cops who have risked their careers to grieve public safety issues they could have walked away from. I know cops who have gone the extra mile for some one, not because they had to, but because they feel providing that extra is part of their job to the community. I know officers whose careers are virtually dead ended because they wouldn't take inappropriate actions requested of them by senior officers. There are *many* cops out there who do the right thing every day. Sometimes, when you have a nightmare of a situation, the good cops get lost (ie, LA County jail anyone?) and the ones who do fight for what is right sometimes do lose their jobs. Problem then - the same idiots who scream about bad cops don't trust the cop that loses his job or files the grievance - even the public labels them simply as trouble makers.
  
  I for one, look at the job the cops I know do and I wouldn't piss on the public they deal with most days. I always recommend a ride along - get to see how a cop just has to walk down the street to be screamed at, watch people shit their pants to avoid a ticket (I've seen this one personally, God help me) and the other incredibly disgusting things the "innocent" public does.
  
  I know not all cops are good, but please spare me this crap that all protesters are peaceful, all bystanders are innocent and the general public has a higher percentage of decent people than the general law enforcement population.
  
  You can not assume that the officers who witnessed what that Deputy Inspector did, did not file a report, contact a watch commander, or otherwise take action. Though most people seem perfectly happy to do so.
  
  about an hour ago · · 1 person
- Soup McGee
  
  repeats, is emboldened and made hopeful: "As for cops "willing to cross the blue line" I know cops who have arrested other officers for various crimes. I know cops who have risked their careers to grieve public safety issues they could have walked away from. I know cops who have gone the extra mile for some one, not because they had to, but because they feel providing that extra is part of their job to the community. I know officers whose careers are virtually dead ended because they wouldn't take inappropriate actions requested of them by senior officers. There are *many* cops out there who do the right thing every day. Sometimes, when you have a nightmare of a situation, the good cops get lost (ie, LA County jail anyone?) and the ones who do fight for what is right sometimes do lose their jobs. Problem then - the same idiots who scream about bad cops don't trust the cop that loses his job or files the grievance - even the public labels them simply as trouble makers. "
  
  about an hour ago ·
- Kris Cord
  
  Soup, to be honest, you're not going to hear those stories in the news. Sadly for most, because the negative thrill of our society, we'll hear about the bad cops 100 times before we hear about one of the cops above. Honestly the only thin...See More
  
  about an hour ago ·
- Soup McGee
  
  could not agree more; the top hateful comment was posted as a comparison to my attempt at reason and encouragement...I am no "Cop Hater." I want a civilized society willing AND able to trust the neighbors who choose to wear the badge as a symbol of being the state, a symbol of the absolute force of the righteous implicit power of the people in our democracy. Some people break the law, violate the rights of another; there will be justice for them only if our court system functions. Our court system can only function if the police operating as the People with the Authority of the State are as respectful as they want to be respected, and as honorable as their mission. I do not doubt that most cops are good cops; but still, macing and walking away is not a behavior to be explained with "appropriate." Again, more video, and frankly, shouting Shame is a free speech right, even in a tense situation. ESPECIALLY in a tense situation. http://www.fop.net/programs/research/freespeech.pdf An officer serves as a function of the government he serves; his political or personal religious views, while they may be held, cannot be the source of any unprofessional behavior. As such, macing someone and walking away is assault. As defined by the People. Not sorry, but yeah. Meanwhile, there must be awesome cops. When are they gonna join the protestors? http://thelastword.msnbc.msn.com/
  
  about an hour ago ·
- Soup McGee
  
  ‎, for example, Prop 8 here in CA. The lady suing was a gov employee, like the one here http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/upstate_town_clerk_is_possibly.html and as such cannot even within protected speech/religious views operate unpr...See More
  
  Upstate Town Clerk Is Possibly Discriminatory, Definitely Annoying
  nymag.com
  
  She doesn't want to marry gays, so she's having her deputy do it for her.
  
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I breathe. I am your tax dollars at work.

Consider these two quotes in succession:

While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State.
Lenin, "State and Revolution", 1919
Russian Communist politician & revolutionary (1870 - 1924)
In a featured column on flashreport.org, Grover Norquist clarifies and defends the default conservative position, making clear that any vote to send tax increases to the ballot is a violation of the taxpayer protection pledge. Further he publicly admonishes any Republican pledge signer who has any doubt about the consequence of wavering: “There is nothing subjective about the determination that voting to refer higher taxes to the ballot is a violation of the taxpayer protection pledge. A vote for tax hikes on the ballot is clearly and indisputably a failure to ‘oppose and vote against any and all efforts to raise taxes’” (“Featured Column”).

...(...)...In Response to Kings essay on Meeting Oppression---:  King states that he favors nonviolent resistance over the other two ways of meeting oppression. Look closely at the words he uses to describe nonviolent resistance and those he uses to describe acquiescence and violence. How does his choice of words contribute to his argument? Show examples.
The weakness of giving in and submitting to an immoral authority is that you make yourself inferior by choice, and this is the choice of a “coward.” This is the nature of man craving inferiority because he is still filled with “falsehood, malice, hate [and] destruction.” All is not lost; nobility is reached in the practice of nonviolence. Because all men of good will are indeed bound together, asserts the Reverend, a conscience educated to the consequences of violence or acquiescence will turn away from the inferior position (the weakness of man is to give in or fight with force) and toward the superior position (the strength of man lies in his nonviolent reaction to oppression).

Why do you suppose King discusses acquiescence, violence, and non-violent resistance in that order?
The consequences of each failure are staggered so as to outline clearly for the reader the reality of each successive failure. As individual bitterness becomes community discontent, the oppressed must be cautious as their calls for justice escalate. When the choice is made-unbeknownst to anyone until the choice is made- it must be for nonviolence, or the line will become a circle again. That choice is both individual and community, so each of us must be aware of our nature.

...(...)... Please forgive my "Show Your Work" Style.

I am not a Socialist, a hippie looking for a hand-out, or a lazy hypocrite. I want to pay taxes so I have something to vote about. I believe my paying taxes entitles me to support those who are using their Constitutional Rights of Redress (first amendment)and demanding that America admit She is not Broken. Those who say She is need say no more! I prefer Democracy over Theonomy. I am not fighting Capitalism, only ignorance and those who hate America. I Demand A Redress as Guaranteed by the Constitution!

The richest four hundred families, jointly owning the majority of the most profitable corporations and in their sixth or seventh generation of landed gentry are depending on a Third Wave of Reformation in Christianity and a voting bloc determined to end Democracy's Evil Hold On God's Sphere of Authority (Rj Rushdoony, etc.). Having disguised themselves as American, their ultimate goal is to soon separate us from our primary rights. Through the manipulation of media backed by corporate funding, they seek to influence the government to create hysteria such that the people will Want to or find they Have replace civil law with biblical law- regardless of the fact that it violates the First Amendment- by imposing the theory of theonomy. Those one-tenth of one percent that own the 40 percent or so of America’s printed money and access to all the keys of the Kingdom ARE the Corporatocracy we are Fighting. Same fight. Not a different fight.

The problem for All groups, as the Revolting Randian Calvinist Class sees it, is government. You have the right to be your own state and gave to the government by will alone- otherwise, the gov is only a gang, and those opposed to it are a family. This is according to them, not me...so...

Grover believes gov. taxes by force, and builds coalitions-

I Pledge Allegiance To the Flag. Full Stop. Please Get Your Elected Official On The Record re: Authority...

Man Has Authority to govern Man, the Dominionist Believes Only God Has Authority- they hold the Constitution as Biblically based and allow local law to become “theonomic” ---this TREASON---this is the reason for my animus. Christianity has Become an argument against itself by supplanting the Authority of the Document We share, believer and non-believer alike. End the Pledge. End the Influence.
Tax the Church.
Get the Money out of elections.
End Corporate Personhood.
Same fight.

I hope readers are following their own trail---this is an archive (soupsauntie) designed to position stories in a way that allow MY further investigation— ‎,"No, it's a messy soup...fair enough. It's Google Search results, pasted from my Facebook Page (posted as status updates so I know where and when I read something)", and this is to allow anyone to see how I came across the info (not by biased searches but by multiple sources and key words) followed by pasted source material. This, of course, would be helpful info for the 'About' section there...:-/ :-)"