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· January
21 at 1:41am ·
- Elijah Cherkez and 12 others like this.
Julius Handford False. Of
course fetuses are human fetuses. What other kind could they be? The issue is
this: no human of any age gets to use another human's body and organs without
ongoing consent.
Elijah Cherkez Julius I
don't understand what you are protesting or proposing... what is fetus in your
statement in refference to? What are you implying. Also what are you reffering
to when talking about consent. Are you saying that the baby should consent the
mother? Please rephrase or clarify!
Sharon Michelle B MY
life...MY body...MY pregnancy...MY choice...THE END.
Julius Handford Are you
some kind of dullard? Everyone knows what I'm saying. You used a strawman
argument and I pointed it out.
Elijah Cherkez clarify
please...what are you implying?
Julius Handford I'm not
implying. I'm stating. Your argument is a fallacy.
Elijah Cherkez Yes its a
human as you seem to agree! If so, why do you disagree with the statement? What
specifically in my post makes you think that it's false?
Julius Handford Is
English not your primary language? Why are you struggling with this concept?
You presented a strawman fallacy by suggesting that supporters of reproductive
choice seek to represent fetuses as 'not human'. They don't. Everyone knows a
fetus in a woman's uterus must be a human fetus. So your whole argument is
fallacious. Fail.
Elijah Cherkez I wished that
they would recognize the humanity of that human, instead they either say that
it's a blob of tissue, or that it's a fetus, avoiding any hints that it's a
human. They want to rather categorize it by it's developmental stage rather
then by who they are. If pro-choisers acknowledge that it is a human, then that
puts them in a difficult spot...because that would mean that what they are for
(abortion) is inhumane.
Julius Handford A human
fetus IS human, and fetus is the correct word. You're upset about people using
accurate terminology?? Really?
Julius Handford Abortion
is not inhumane. Meat is, though. Are you vegan?
Elijah Cherkez Yes,
terminology matters... read the statement under the two pictures to the left to
understand why.
Allisyn Joy Kearney Of
course a fetus is human- its a developing grouping of human tissue. I think
what you are getting human and person mixed up.
Elijah Cherkez If it's
human, then is it okay to take it's life?
Sharon Michelle B Do you
know everything about your body is human BUT not a human being/person? I think
YOU are the one confused.
Allisyn Joy Kearney The
skin on my hand is human, blood is human, organs are human. What is your point?
Inga Sjoberg
You are confusing 'human' with 'personhood', genius.
Elijah Cherkez Its both a
human and a person. I am a scientist and I know that this is a person!
Samantha Thompson
Seeing as if I do not want it in my body and it is only potential for life
because most do not make it past the first trimester that is if they do make it
past implantation stage.
Sharon Michelle B You are
NOT a scientist!! Try again.
Julius Handford Whether
its "okay" to take a life has nothing to do with species. Don't be so
selfish. It has to do with suffering. Stop making animals suffer for your
greedy pleasure.
Inga Sjoberg
Life begins with birth, not conception. You can't claim a fetus on your income
taxes because a fetus is not a person. You can't claim a fetus on a census form
because a fetus is not a person. You can't buy a life insurance policy for a
fetus because (you guessed it!) a fetus is not a person. People are issued
birth certificates, not conception certificates. Fun fact: all that is a moot
point, because even if a fetus was a person, it is still not entitled to my
bodily resources. If you don't have to donate a liver to keep me alive (and
boy, has mine taken a pounding....) then I don't have to donate a uterus to
keep a fetus alive. Bodily autonomy FTW!
Inga Sjoberg
I don't care who you are or what you do - you don't get to make my medical
decisions or use my body without my consent.
Julius Handford Lets see
your peer reviewed research about personhood. I'll wait.
Kristen Knoll Why do they all
assume that we are cloistered 12 year olds and don't understand human biology?
And lol at the "scientist" OP who objects to the correct scientific term of FETUS.
And lol at the "scientist" OP who objects to the correct scientific term of FETUS.
Samantha Thompson And
technically YOU are a blob of tissue. Cells make tissue, tissue makes organs,
organs make the organ system.
Katie Einloth As I stated on
NARAL and the other PP page, you only get to make life choices for yourself.
Elijah Cherkez personhood...
science confirms that once a conception happened, this person is a unique
individual organism, that is separate from it's mother (it's not part of a
mother's body, or an extension of a mother's body, it is unique human
individual organism.
Allisyn Joy Kearney Elijah-
do you think the fetus just floats inside of a woman's uterus? It IS connected
to her.
Science does not confirm anything about personhood. A fetus is human- but it is not a person. It is a developing human- a potential human being.
Science does not confirm anything about personhood. A fetus is human- but it is not a person. It is a developing human- a potential human being.
Inga Sjoberg
Being a unique organism doesn't entitle it to residency in my uterus.
Amelia Jones How is it
not part of the woman's body? Please explain the belly button to us? And how do
its not-fully-formed organs work since they not finished developing ? How does
it use the woman's energy, nutrients, and life if it is not part of her body?
Elijah Cherkez Allisyn, I
studied the fetal development... it is teathered to the mother by it's own
tissues.
Julius Handford Again,
lets see your peer reviewed research.
Elijah Cherkez Inga, what do
you mean "residency"? It will certainly not be there for long. Would
you please not take a political-way of looking at things but rather focus on
facts. If you start merely taking sides without looking at facts, it will
trully lead people astray and into serious ethical and moral trouble. Just look
at Nazis!
Julius Handford the
uterus belongs to the woman. She can maintain it any way she wants to. If she
wants HER uterus empty, she can have it emptied of any and all contents.
Julius Handford Everyone
drink a shot, he mentioned nazis!
Elijah Cherkez Amelia, the
energy that the baby is using is the the energy created by organs that was
already vested in you when you were formed...so even you are a product of your
own mother and father.
Julius Handford The
uterus is hers. The end.
Julius Handford Please
tell me what is ethical or moral about reproducing on a planet where millions
are already starving?
Elijah Cherkez The body
works in harmony...preparing for the implantation of the zygote, and it
welcomes it...not rejects it. It is a natural process and a mutualistic
relationship. The uterus is not political as you seem to see it. Is anyone a
scientist here? I don't mean that in demeaning tone, but I hope to find a
scientist here that we can understand eachother when we write something.
Julius Handford The woman
uses her brain, not her uterus, to decide whether she "welcomes"
offspring.
Julius Handford sweat and
body order is also a natural process, but I don't have to accept it. I decide;
my sweat glands don't decide for me.
Elijah Cherkez False,
Julius. The process of zygote implantation in the uterus is an involuntary
process. Ask any scientist or a doctor. If you see why then you solve one
important mystery of life (among many others).
Hana Rosebud Just because I'm
a product of my parents, dearie, doesn't mean I'm under any obligation to breed
it forward.
Julius Handford The
removal of an implanted zygote is a choice made by her brain. You lose.
Elijah Cherkez Julius, I am
talking about the implantation process that happens in the body naturally after
conception. Are you familiar with this biological process? I am not talking
about in-vitro fertilization (IVF), laboratory implant of a zygote.
Soup McGee David G. McAfee
To religious believers of all sorts: How do you feel about the Polynesian God Lono? That's exactly how non-believers feel about your god(s).
To religious believers of all sorts: How do you feel about the Polynesian God Lono? That's exactly how non-believers feel about your god(s).
Julius Handford Yes, I'm
very familiar with the process. It is reversible by choice. Abortion. The woman
decides, not her uterus.
Elijah Cherkez As a
biologist I can guarantee you that you are not reversing it you are tearing the
body when you are causing an abortion, and hence the short term and long-term
consequences follow, as confirmed by research and medicine.
Julius Handford Abortion
cures an unwanted pregnancy. Deal with it.
Julius Handford What do
you think gets "torn" in a medication induced abortion? Just curious.
Sharon Michelle B Please
explain how a pill/pills tear a body??!!
Julius Handford And you
do realize that, generally, the fetus is not sentient. But your lunch was.
Which one is the moral problem?
Sharon Michelle B I want
just one of you anti freaks to explain to me how a pill turns into a Ninja
weapon when swallowed.
Julius Handford Sharon,
you're supposed to let your uterus make decisions about your life. Don't you
know?
Sharon Michelle B So far
me and my uterus can been in sync with that Julius. If it screws up, I will
take control.
Julius Handford Like
elijah, I don't have a uterus. So I accept that I have no say in whether a
woman chooses to give birth or abort.
Sharon Michelle B Julius,
thank you so much for supporting and respecting women. I have the up-most
respect for men like you.
Samantha Thompson I
can say this, any child that would carry on my genes would be telling me fuck
you every day.
Katie Einloth I agree with
that. Anyone who freaks out by the word "fetus" or claims that
personhood is defined by science clearly never graduated. I'm sure he flipped
the fuck out on the professor on the first day and never went back to class all
because the facts didn't align with his opinions.
Elijah Cherkez I graduated
with a degree in Biological Sciences with emphasis in Cellular and Molecular
Biology. I am a scientist and worked in Clinical Research for a number of years
and now looking forward to go on to medical school. Amelia, please no put
downs. I am seeking an honest dialogue, and I hope to do that in a respectful,
dignified matter. This is a warning
Elijah Cherkez Julius do you
think only people who have a uterus should speak up against injustice? or speak
up for those that can't speak for themselves?
Julius Handford They
didn't teach you the word "fetus"? Get your tuition money back.
Elijah Cherkez What is fetus
in your definition?
Julius Handford A
warning. Haha. He warned you.
Katie Einloth And I'm the
president of the United States - see, anyone can claim what they want on the
internet.
Elijah Cherkez Please also
answer the questions above...don't evade them, please.
Julius Handford I am the
man who invented punk rock.
Sharon Michelle B Please
answer my question...don't dodge it.
Elijah Cherkez I would
attach my resume or a picture of my degree but I don't want to. Please conduct
a conversation as is fitting for a respectful adult, and I promise to do that
as well.
Julius Handford I think
only a person with a uterus should decide what grows or does not grow in that
uterus. Know what an injustice is? Making more people when millions are
starving. And I will speak up about that, yes.
Julius Handford Animals
can't speak for themselves. Why do you eat them?
Katie Einloth Your questions
provide zero evidence that abortion should be outlawed. Good try though.
Lisa Kitchen Report all
his posts just like he's doing to you.
Elijah Cherkez Sharon what
is your question again?
Julius Handford Yeah, I'd
post a few of my platinum albums, but I don't feel like it.
Sharon Michelle B I have
NO respect for anybody trying to take our rights away. NOW answer my
question...
Katie Einloth A resume and a
photo of a fake degree is no evidence to your claimed education. Good try
though.
Elijah Cherkez What is the
question? Lets stick to the issue that we're discussing... the sanctity of
human life.
Sharon Michelle B Lisa Kitchen
how do you know he's reporting us?
Elijah Cherkez I am not
reporting anyone now...no fear, here to help with some truth and knowledge
Michael Lang I see a
fetus as something that is not viable, unable to sustain life outside the womb.
It is often argued that the earliest point of viability is around 24 weeks, and
even then chances of survival are pretty slim.
If a woman aborts late into her pregnancy, it is almost always out of medical necessity. Do you think women just frivolously have abortions left and right for shits and giggles?
If a woman aborts late into her pregnancy, it is almost always out of medical necessity. Do you think women just frivolously have abortions left and right for shits and giggles?
Julius Handford There are
already millions of humans starving. Sanctity? That's a phony concept. I'd
settle for wellbeing.
Katie Einloth There is no
sanctity of life. Its just a term coined by religious wack jobs to guilt trip
their sheep. We are also debating abortion in a SECULAR nation.
Julius Handford Your
knowledge is irrelevant to what a woman chooses to do with her uterus. Deal
with that.
Michael Lang To
compare abortion to, say, the plights of slavery and the Holocaust - you know,
REAL atrocities - is a downright insult to those who lived and died in fear
simply because of their ethnicity.
Michael Lang also
inb4 silent scream lol
inb4 silent scream lol
Elijah Cherkez Michael,
thanks for sharing your views. A fetus is a medical term to denote the
developmental stage in a human life. Something that is dead doesn't need to be
classified as "developing" hence it is viable and living where it was
meant to be in it's optimal conditions, in nature. We cannot demand something
to be removed from it's optimal conditions and expect it to survive. In
biology, life and conditions of life(environment) goes hand in hand. Just like
I cannot place you on Mars without a space-suit and expect you to survive, so
does a prenatal human cannot be placed in environment where it is not meant by
nature to be, at it's stage of development.
Julius Handford Correct.
The death of the fetus is incidental. The goal is to remove the fetus from her
uterus, ending the unwanted condition of pregnancy.
Katie Einloth Biology =/=
legal obligation. You should have learned this in your courses. You keep
proving you never graduated.
Julius Handford we aren't
limited to doing only what nature intended. Isn't that wonderful?
Jennifer Graham "The
sanctity of human life" hahaha ha! When people start caring about child
soldiers, slave labourers making your shoes for next to nothing and starving
kids right here in our own country...then we can consider that there is such a
thing as the sanctity of human life. Until then, get out.
January
21 at 8:56am · Edited · Like · 4
Elijah Cherkez Jennifer,
Julius, Katie...all humanity is responsible for eachother... we are to look out
for the least of these, the oppressed, the abused, the disposed in the
biohazard bags. I'll do my share and I would ask that you do yours.
Julius Handford And
what's your justification for discriminating against other species?
Julius Handford I do my
share by NOT contributing to population growth while millions starve. What do
you do?
Samantha Thompson
Fetus means offspring in Latin (something no life person can ever get right).
It is the developing offspring of a vertebrae that is in its later stages of
development until birth.
Katie Einloth Please do not
allow cancer to end up in bio hazard bags!! Love your cancer! Take on your
biological responsibility to see cancer's life sustained!
Julius Handford What
about those bags of hamburgers? They cause pain and suffering to a sentient
being. Abortion does not.
Michael Lang
>disposed in biohazard bags
I smell an appeal to emotion.
How does abortion even remotely compare to those of us who are already alive? Those of us who have already lived and died, gone into another existence?
I smell an appeal to emotion.
How does abortion even remotely compare to those of us who are already alive? Those of us who have already lived and died, gone into another existence?
Elijah Cherkez Cancer comes
from the same organism, yet a prenatal human is a unique individual, and
doesn't metastasize. Cancer spreads and harm the mother, yet a prenatal human
stays in one place, and it works mutualistically with the mother. Medically and
scientifically, a prenatal human is not classified as cancer.
Michael Lang Save the
tumors!
Julius Handford She
didn't say it was cancer. She made a comparison. Answer my question about
discrimination.
Jae Marino "Mystery of
life"..."Sanctity of life"...all of that looks great on paper,
and sounds wonderful, but...these are really issues that are best discussed
over a nice cup of tea and a fat joint with a few equally
philosophically-like-minded friends, they have no
real belonging when it comes to bodily autonomy. Existential
crises have no place here, if you want to debate those concepts, go take a philosophy course.
real belonging when it comes to bodily autonomy. Existential
crises have no place here, if you want to debate those concepts, go take a philosophy course.
January
21 at 9:09am · Edited · Like · 3
Elijah Cherkez Michael, yes
an injustice is emotional...a human being being disposed of as garbage is our
moral responsibility to address and speak out against such injustice.
Julius Handford we have
advanced so that we don't have to let our bodily functions, however natural,
dictate how we live our lives. Come out of the dark ages.
Jackie Turner You say
a foetus is unique. Why does it being unique make it important?
Julius Handford Whats
immoral about disposing of an aborted fetus? Explain.
Sam Winchest Uhhh
pregnancy and labor harms the woman 95 percent of the time, I don't think
that's a mutal existence.
Jackie Turner So, you
want us to keep our foetuses and not dispose of them? Bit gross.
Michael Lang Except a
fetus isn't a "human being." At one point in development we were all clumps
of cells. So I will disagree with you there.
Christianne Hudson The
same could be said for a parasite, yet we remove them from their optimal
environments. A fetus is a fetus until it is born, then it is a baby. Until it
is born, it is SOLELY dependent on the host body/mother to sustain it. In
otherwords, a mother should have a choice on whether she wishes to spend the
next 9 months carrying, what amounts to the equivalent of a parasite, due to
it's reliance on resources needed to grow from her, or if she would like to
terminate the pregnancy. Pro lifers don't give the same reverence to born
children as they do fetuses.
Oh, and for the record, Reverend Dr. King was PRO CHOICE. If you are going to use one of my race's biggest non violent voices for civil rights to push your agenda, you should take the time to look his ideals up.
Oh, and for the record, Reverend Dr. King was PRO CHOICE. If you are going to use one of my race's biggest non violent voices for civil rights to push your agenda, you should take the time to look his ideals up.
Julius Handford Laws
about medical waste were established to protect living people. How's that
immoral?
Elijah Cherkez Research
proves that if we go against nature, there are severe consequences both
short-term and long term. Abortion is also done internally, hence it's
invasively interacting with a living body. Our bodies are sensors and if you
remove something before it is ready that sensor is being violated and hense
there are severe molecular and biological consequences, according to the
published medical research. That is why I don't shy away from sharing the
truth, because I know that science is on the side of the truth.
Katie Einloth How dare you
Elijah! Cancer is alive, viable and require's the host's body to continue to
live. How can you sit there and deny the voiceless cancer it's voice?! You are
heartless!
Jae Marino Ok, so let's
regroup: it appears that "biohazard bags" and such make you feel
icky. Well, they're not supposed to make you feel pretty. Trash is trash. It's
not a Hallmark card, unless you want it to be.
Julius Handford Medicine
and surgery go against nature. Chemicals go against nature. These are things
I'm glad to have. Nature can be improved upon. If you don't like it, don't use
medications. Your choice.
Julius Handford Lets see
this "research". I can't wait.
Michael Lang If a
fetus is a human being:
How come the census doesn't count them?
When there's a miscarriage there's not a funeral?
When a woman is pregnant she says "we have two children and one on the way" instead of saying "we have three children"?
How come the census doesn't count them?
When there's a miscarriage there's not a funeral?
When a woman is pregnant she says "we have two children and one on the way" instead of saying "we have three children"?
Jackie Turner Elijah,
so you're going to start protesting against ALL medical procedures? All
medications too I hope. None of them are natural. A medical procedure isn't
natural for the body.
Sam Winchest I guess if
you have a heart attack or stroke elijah you wouldn't go get medical attention
right?
Elijah Cherkez I am talking
about abortion... abortion can't be compared with a haircut, or getting your
nails trimmed.
Jae Marino Snowflakes are
natural and unique, too. Where are the people holding up pics of bloody melted
snowmen, protesting winter? How dare they be so heartless and inhumane,
everyone knows
that snow is a gift from the Lord sent here to remind us to buy
snow shovels! See? It's the same circular, senseless logic.
that snow is a gift from the Lord sent here to remind us to buy
snow shovels! See? It's the same circular, senseless logic.
January
21 at 9:16am · Edited · Like · 2
Katie Einloth Yes! Our bodies
are sensors - so how dare you justify the removal of cancer! People will face
the consequences of going against nature! Cancer is natural. Cancer is alive.
ELIJAH LEARN TO LOVE CANCER! For the love of santity of life - save the cancer!
Julius Handford I was
cursed the minute I had my wisdom teeth extracted!
January
21 at 9:17am · Edited · Like · 2
Jackie Turner Elijah,
so why aren't you protesting against all medical procedures?
Katie Einloth I cry myself to
sleep every night for not seeing the LIGHT of the situation! I'll forever
regret that my gall bladder is in a bio hazard bag Please, everyone, forgive me
for my sins!
Julius Handford And no
woman should ever be allowed to get a breast reduction, no matter how much back
pain she has. Because you can't change nature!
Elijah Cherkez Julius, I
worked in the drug clinical trials, and the truth is not everything you see on
the medicine label is to be trusted. I know the procedures for side-effects
reporting, and I know that even after the FDA has approved something, that
doesn't necesarily means that it's safe... there are side effects in certain
cases that show up years later. Cancer is a long-term side-effect of abortion,
which was confirmed by independent studies done in several countries. I would
not wish that on anyone.
Julius Handford I enjoy
the benefits of medicine. If you don't, don't take them. But what I take is
between me and my doctor.
Julius Handford Cancer is
a side effect of a lot of things, including the sun. It's up to the patient and
doctor to evaluate the risks and benefits.
Katie Einloth Every time I
see the needle lock boxes hanging up in my doctor's office with
"Biohazard" written on it, I'm reminded of my sins. How could I have
let them remove my gall bladder? How can I let them treat me for cancer! For
LIFE is LIFE and who am I to end LIFE?
Julius Handford I still
weep for those wisdom teeth, thinking about what might have been.
Elijah Cherkez I am not
against all medicines... I am for the medicines that aleviate a disease... a
developing human is not a disease and because the drugs seek to target the
developing human, it also targets the mother in one way or another.
Jackie Turner So I
should just let my Lupus and Crohns run their natural course? I guess it pretty
unnatural to get medication? Best cancel tomorrow's infliximab.
Julius Handford Abortion
cures an unwanted medical condition. The fact that you don't like it is
irrelevant, since you have no uterus.
Christianne Hudson Oh, and
might I add that spontaneous abortion, or miscarriages are abundant? It is why
some people cannot get pregnant. You have to have the perfect storm of
situations on how a woman gets pregnant, hence why it takes some people a lot
longer than just one try for pregnancy to stick. Life from conception would be
a spiritual concept, except the fact that that same concept would place God as
the number one factor for miscarriages and the inability to get pregnant.
Jackie Turner Elijah,
if I get cancer it will most likely be because it runs in my family, or because
I smoke, or because I use deodorant, not because I aborted a foetus.
Elijah Cherkez These
researchers are doctors. The sad part is that this issue of abortion has become
so politicized that people don't even care about the consequence they just want
to take their side, ignore evidence, or science and blindly advocate for their
rights. Doesn't that sound scary... it's like willingly blindfolding yourself
and ignoring the consequence of driving off the cliff, because it's your right
to drive a car.
Julius Handford Do you
have weird hang ups about sex? I'm guessing yes.
Julius Handford You
mention "science" a lot with no substantiating evidence.
Jennie Trott Finley
"a developing human is not a disease"
Hey, look at that, guys! Elijah just COMPLETELY eliminated maternal death and injury with one sentence - we're FREE, people! From here on out, all pregnancies will end in completely healthy live births at term with NO risk at all to the mother! And all because Elijah says developing humans are incapable of hurting their host... or, to be more accurate, #becausewizards.
Hey, look at that, guys! Elijah just COMPLETELY eliminated maternal death and injury with one sentence - we're FREE, people! From here on out, all pregnancies will end in completely healthy live births at term with NO risk at all to the mother! And all because Elijah says developing humans are incapable of hurting their host... or, to be more accurate, #becausewizards.
Julius Handford Using
deodorant has a benefit and a risk. Are you against deodorant?
Jae Marino I predict someone's
gonna start cryin soon
Brice Matter oh, awesome, the
old 'abortion = slavery'... how can you ever get tired of comparing the
systematic oppression of a population with a medical procedure, it just never
gets old
Melinda Marcellus Should
a white guy really use the image of a black guy to talk about oppression? You
are an American correct?
Elijah Cherkez Jennie, with
all due respect, you seemed to jump into the conversation without following the
contect and the dialogue that we were having with other members of the group...
please read the line of thought here.
Katie Einloth Imma pray to
Baby Jesus for Elijah to see the wickedness of his ways! For he does not
realize that The All Mighty has created all LIFE including the life of Cancer.
I pray that God shines light on his evil ways and turns him to the sanctity of
life!
Elijah Cherkez Brice, a
medical procedure? What is the disease here?
Jackie Turner Elijah,
so you can only have a medical procedure if you have a disease?
Jennie Trott Finley
With all due respect, Elijah, I read the entire thread, and the multiple times
you asserted that pregnancy can never be considered a disease. Thus, pregnancy
cannot cause bodily injury, because if a biological process causes bodily
injury it is classed as a disease. Thus, maternal death and injury must not
exist.
Try to logic. It's considered an important skill in those who have actually BEEN to college.
Try to logic. It's considered an important skill in those who have actually BEEN to college.
Jae Marino I no longer come
onto these pages for debate. While I can sure enough appreciate--and support
and continue to learn from-my pro-choice, life-affirming, highly educated
brothers and sisters, and the amazing work that they do, I have come to the
healthy (for me) conclusion that bodily autonomy is simply a matter not up for
debate. If anything, I saunter here to not only exercise my writing skills, but
to amuse and be amused, in kind. I have also concluded that through the
relentless terrorism that is Christianity, more and more people are becoming
brain-damaged by the buttload every second of every day, in short, there's
simply no reasoning to be done with these people. It goes without saying that
not only are they the ultimate source of embarrassment, hindrance to progress
and also the reason we can't have nice things, they're dangerous and harbor
subhuman elements within their cerebral make-up. Roe v. Wade will never be
overturned, of that we can all be sure. Deluding oneself that Jesus himself
went about knocking women on the head entering Planned Parenthood clinics with
a rolled up newspaper is a sure sign that some of us need to back away from the
godbag trough full of that heady, brain-atrophying juice. The thing about pigs
is, pigs like to roll around in mud puddles. If you choose to do that with one,
you soon not only get filthy and sick, but you also recognize that the pig
enjoys it way too much.
January
21 at 9:42am · Edited · Like · 5
Grace Alexander A
fetus is, medically and scientifically,, a parasite. Anyone who pretends it has
the right to overturn the host's rights is full of it - whatever he claims to
be. He claims to "know science" but he doesn't grasp the most basic
tenets. *eyeroll*. On noes, will he "warn" me now?
Pseudo science isn't actual science. Medical ethics isn't determined by your skydaddy. My right to bodily autonomy is supreme.
Pseudo science isn't actual science. Medical ethics isn't determined by your skydaddy. My right to bodily autonomy is supreme.
January
21 at 9:41am · Edited · Like · 5
Grace Alexander
Abortion is safer than pregnancy and childbirth. FACT.
Julius Handford Abortion
treats an unwanted medical condition. I already explained that. So why do you
have hang ups about sex?
Lisa Kitchen If abortion
causes cancer so does miscarriage seeing how the process is the same.
Grace Alexander
Every minute, at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy
or childbirth – that means 287 000 women a year. In addition, for every woman
who dies in childbirth, around 20 more suffer injury, infection or disease –
approximately 10 million women each year.
Five direct complications account for most of maternal deaths: haemorrhage , infection, unsafe abortion, eclampsia (very high blood pressure leading to seizures –, and obstructed labour. While these are the main causes of maternal death, unavailable, inaccessible, unaffordable, or poor quality care is fundamentally responsible. Maternal deaths are detrimental to social development and wellbeing, as some one million children are left motherless each year. These children are more likely to die within 1-2 years of their mothers' death.
Women need not die in childbirth. We must give a young woman the information and support she needs to control her reproductive health, help her through a pregnancy, and care for her and her newborn well into childhood. The vast majority of maternal deaths could be prevented if women had access to quality family planning services, skilled care during pregnancy, childbirth and the first month after delivery, or post-abortion care services and where permissible, safe abortion services. 15% of pregnancies and childbirths need emergency obstetric care because of risks that are difficult to predict. A working health system with skilled personnel is key to saving these women's lives.
Five direct complications account for most of maternal deaths: haemorrhage , infection, unsafe abortion, eclampsia (very high blood pressure leading to seizures –, and obstructed labour. While these are the main causes of maternal death, unavailable, inaccessible, unaffordable, or poor quality care is fundamentally responsible. Maternal deaths are detrimental to social development and wellbeing, as some one million children are left motherless each year. These children are more likely to die within 1-2 years of their mothers' death.
Women need not die in childbirth. We must give a young woman the information and support she needs to control her reproductive health, help her through a pregnancy, and care for her and her newborn well into childhood. The vast majority of maternal deaths could be prevented if women had access to quality family planning services, skilled care during pregnancy, childbirth and the first month after delivery, or post-abortion care services and where permissible, safe abortion services. 15% of pregnancies and childbirths need emergency obstetric care because of risks that are difficult to predict. A working health system with skilled personnel is key to saving these women's lives.
Elijah Cherkez Lisa, the
process is not the same. Miscarriage doesn't cause cancer, but abortion does.
It's a different biological process for both.
Julius Handford Um, no.
The body doesn't know the difference.
Lisa Kitchen Same hormones
released.
You're a crappy scientist.
You're a crappy scientist.
Elijah Cherkez Grace, a
human fetus is NOT a parasite. Science and medicine proves otherwise. A
parasite comes from outside of the body, and is of another species than the
host, yet a prenatal human comes from inside of the body, and the body of the
mother welcomes it and has been preparing for him/her. Also the prenatal human
is of the same species as the mother, and in fact it is the mother's
offspring...so it is biologically, and emotionally connected.
Julius Handford Not every
woman welcomes a pregnancy. Proof: abortion.
Jae Marino The only
"cancer" abortion causes is the death of some male's ego somewhere
because not every woman on earth is eager to gestate his DNA all because he has
some sort of problem with the fact that he's gonna die someday and he might not
be able to project his imagined omnipotence onto a child.
January
21 at 9:49am · Edited · Like · 5
Lisa Kitchen It has
parasitic qualities
Christianne Hudson I
like how he completely glossed over anything I have stated so far in this
thread, especially on his insult to Reverend Dr. King's memory in twisting his
words and ideals to suit his needs. I bet he doesn't even know that Reverend
Dr. King was one of the original recipients of the Margret Sanger award.
Jennie Trott Finley
Absolutely true, Lisa. Except you'll never hear a so-called pro-lifer claim
that - not because it's completely untrue and they have no more factual and
peer-reviewed studies to back up that claim than they do to back up their
asinine "abortion=cancer" claim. No, the reason they don't make that
claim is because the REAL reason "abortion=cancer", in their minds,
is righteous punishment for the woman's compounded sins - first the sin of
engaging in sexual intercourse, then the sin of not gestating the consequences
of Sin #1 to term. Although so-called pro-lifers are happy to prosecute women
for miscarriages, they aren't QUITE willing to put the same death-curse upon all
women with inadequate uteri - because they just might reveal themselves for the
judgmental zealots they really are.
Elijah Cherkez On the
molecular, physiological,and hormonal level, a woman's body is prepared for the
gestation and development of the fellow human.
Michael Lang I'm
eager to see OP's responses to Julius' questions. Since, you know, he seems so
invested in the personal decisions of others.
Lisa Kitchen I'd like to
know what exactly in abortion causes cancer. The exact hormone name and
process. I'll wait. And i'd like to know how the same hormones in a miscarriage
don't produce the same outcome
Julius Handford And my
sweat glands are prepared to sweat. But I use deodorant. Because I prefer
modern conveniences to nature.
Lisa Kitchen C sections
and maternal death are all fairy tales to him.
Katie Einloth awww. Elijah is
ignoring my religious rantings.... Could it be that he comprehends that his
views actually have no basis in this conversation? That he won't accept facts
for what they are because his male ego is inflated? That by accepting the truth
he must admit that he has lied about his education?
Jennie Trott Finley
"a prenatal human comes from inside of the body, and the body of the
mother welcomes it and has been preparing for him/her."
Yep, NO possibility of the host rejecting the fetus ANYWHERE EVER. http://americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycom.../rhfactor-2.html
Yep, NO possibility of the host rejecting the fetus ANYWHERE EVER. http://americanpregnancy.org/pregnancycom.../rhfactor-2.html
January
21 at 9:56am · Edited · Like · 4
Samantha Thompson
Where is your proof on cancer is linked to abortion? There is none.
Samantha Thompson In
fact, in birth there's more hormones being released than in
abortion/miscarriage.
Jackie Turner If
their bodies are prepared for it, why do so many women suffer? Why do so many
women die?
Lindsey Morgan Jesus Christ,
kid. Stop spamming every pro choice page you come across.
Jennie Trott Finley
"If you are Rh-negative, you may develop antibodies to an Rh-positive
baby. If a small amount of the baby’s blood mixes with your blood, which often
happens, your body may respond as if it were allergic to the baby. Your body
may make antibodies to the Rh antigens in the baby’s blood. This means you have
become sensitized and your antibodies can cross the placenta and attack your baby’s
blood. They break down the fetus’s red blood cells and produce anemia (the
blood has a low number of red blood cells). This condition is called hemolytic
disease or hemolytic anemia. It can become severe enough to cause serious
illness, brain damage, or even death in the fetus or newborn."
Seriously, one more epic fail like that one and I'm out of here. I like my prey to have a bit more meat on its bones... toying with the mentally challenged gets boring.
Seriously, one more epic fail like that one and I'm out of here. I like my prey to have a bit more meat on its bones... toying with the mentally challenged gets boring.
Elijah Cherkez Grace, not
true, especially when you consider the long-term effects. Medical Journals of
multiple big studies on abortion done around the world is quite revealing of
the truth that cannot be denied.
Julius Handford Sex
hangups.
Jennifer Campbell Go home,
Roger.
Katie Einloth The processes
of a woman's menstural cycle is no reflection of a obligation to remain
pregnant, nor an indication that the pregnancy will result in a healthy birth.
Clearly you're unable to think logically. May I suggest drilling a hole into
your head and using a straw to rearrange the cells of your brain? It might help
you in the long run.
Lindsey Morgan "On the
molecular, physiological,and hormonal level, a woman's body is prepared for the
gestation and development of the fellow human."
So what?
You've already gotten your ass handed to you on this topic. You're appealing to nature. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good or right or appropriate.
Sex is natural. A vagina was "made" to host a penis. Guess what we call it when a penis enters a vagina without consent? Guess?
So what?
You've already gotten your ass handed to you on this topic. You're appealing to nature. Just because something is natural does not mean it is good or right or appropriate.
Sex is natural. A vagina was "made" to host a penis. Guess what we call it when a penis enters a vagina without consent? Guess?
Samantha Thompson
Every 90 seconds a woman some where in the world dies due to pregnancy and
delivery.
Julius Handford Link to
your sources, or they don't exist.
Christianne Hudson Come
on Elijah, are you going to address my comments, or gloss over them still
because you were called out for misusing Reverend Dr. King's words and ideals
to promote your anti choice ideals?
Jackie Turner Links
or it didn't happen.
Lindsey Morgan "Grace, not
true, especially when you consider the long-term effects."
Bunk, kid.
Do your fucking homework.
Rookus MA, van Leeuwen FE: Induced abortion and risk for breast cancer: reporting (recall) bias in a Dutch case-control study. J Natl Cancer Inst 88 (23): 1759-64, 1996.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8944006?dopt=Abstract
Melbye M, Wohlfahrt J, Olsen JH, et al.: Induced abortion and the risk of breast cancer. N Engl J Med 336 (2): 81-5, 1997.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8988884?dopt=Abstract
Sanderson M, Shu XO, Jin F, et al.: Abortion history and breast cancer risk: results from the Shanghai Breast Cancer Study. Int J Cancer 92 (6): 899-905, 2001.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11351314?dopt=Abstract
Ye Z, Gao DL, Qin Q, et al.: Breast cancer in relation to induced abortions in a cohort of Chinese women. Br J Cancer 87 (9): 977-81, 2002.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12434288?dopt=Abstract
Mahue-Giangreco M, Ursin G, Sullivan-Halley J, et al.: Induced abortion, miscarriage, and breast cancer risk of young women. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 12 (3): 209-14, 2003.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12646509?dopt=Abstract
Erlandsson G, Montgomery SM, Cnattingius S, et al.: Abortions and breast cancer: record-based case-control study. Int J Cancer 103 (5): 676-9, 2003.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12494478?dopt=Abstract
Beral V, Bull D, Doll R, et al.: Breast cancer and abortion: collaborative reanalysis of data from 53 epidemiological studies, including 83,000 women with breast cancer from 16 countries. Lancet 363 (9414): 1007-16, 2004.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15051280?dopt=Abstract
Breast cancer risk in relation to abortion: Results from the EPIC study
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.22001/full
The relative risk of breast cancer among women who reported ever having had an induced abortion when compared to women who reported never having had an induced abortion was 0.95 (0.87–1.03). Overall, the findings provide further unbiased evidence of the lack of an adverse effect of induced abortion on breast cancer risk. © 2006 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
Induced abortions and the risk of all cancers combined and site-specific cancers in Shanghai
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t6872k1580174376/
Cox Proportional Hazards analysis was used to calculate incidence rate ratios for specific types of cancer in women who ever had an induced abortion and by number of induced abortions. Women who had had an abortion were not at increased risk of cancer. There was a significant reduction in risk of uterine corpus cancer in women who had ever had an induced abortion, and a significant decreasing trend in risk with increasing number of induced abortions. No convincing associations with other cancers were observed. Women who have induced abortions after a live birth are not at increased risk of cancer and induced abortions may reduce risk of cancer of the corpus uteri.
Bunk, kid.
Do your fucking homework.
Rookus MA, van Leeuwen FE: Induced abortion and risk for breast cancer: reporting (recall) bias in a Dutch case-control study. J Natl Cancer Inst 88 (23): 1759-64, 1996.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8944006?dopt=Abstract
Melbye M, Wohlfahrt J, Olsen JH, et al.: Induced abortion and the risk of breast cancer. N Engl J Med 336 (2): 81-5, 1997.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8988884?dopt=Abstract
Sanderson M, Shu XO, Jin F, et al.: Abortion history and breast cancer risk: results from the Shanghai Breast Cancer Study. Int J Cancer 92 (6): 899-905, 2001.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11351314?dopt=Abstract
Ye Z, Gao DL, Qin Q, et al.: Breast cancer in relation to induced abortions in a cohort of Chinese women. Br J Cancer 87 (9): 977-81, 2002.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12434288?dopt=Abstract
Mahue-Giangreco M, Ursin G, Sullivan-Halley J, et al.: Induced abortion, miscarriage, and breast cancer risk of young women. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 12 (3): 209-14, 2003.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12646509?dopt=Abstract
Erlandsson G, Montgomery SM, Cnattingius S, et al.: Abortions and breast cancer: record-based case-control study. Int J Cancer 103 (5): 676-9, 2003.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12494478?dopt=Abstract
Beral V, Bull D, Doll R, et al.: Breast cancer and abortion: collaborative reanalysis of data from 53 epidemiological studies, including 83,000 women with breast cancer from 16 countries. Lancet 363 (9414): 1007-16, 2004.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15051280?dopt=Abstract
Breast cancer risk in relation to abortion: Results from the EPIC study
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ijc.22001/full
The relative risk of breast cancer among women who reported ever having had an induced abortion when compared to women who reported never having had an induced abortion was 0.95 (0.87–1.03). Overall, the findings provide further unbiased evidence of the lack of an adverse effect of induced abortion on breast cancer risk. © 2006 Wiley-Liss, Inc.
Induced abortions and the risk of all cancers combined and site-specific cancers in Shanghai
http://www.springerlink.com/content/t6872k1580174376/
Cox Proportional Hazards analysis was used to calculate incidence rate ratios for specific types of cancer in women who ever had an induced abortion and by number of induced abortions. Women who had had an abortion were not at increased risk of cancer. There was a significant reduction in risk of uterine corpus cancer in women who had ever had an induced abortion, and a significant decreasing trend in risk with increasing number of induced abortions. No convincing associations with other cancers were observed. Women who have induced abortions after a live birth are not at increased risk of cancer and induced abortions may reduce risk of cancer of the corpus uteri.
Michael Lang My
fiancee is a Christian and generally speaking pro-life. However, we have
discussed this topic to some degree, and even she agrees that if the fetus is
going to be severely deformed and/or threaten her health, she will readily
abort.
Because common sense.
Abortion is about preserving the QUALITY of life, not quantity.
Because common sense.
Abortion is about preserving the QUALITY of life, not quantity.
Jae Marino These people need
nothing less than to go to what I would call "education camps" where
they are reworked from the ground up, to reverse the brain damage caused by
religion and anti-
choice propaganda. The damage can only be arrested at this point. There's your cure for cancer, hope that blinded you with science
choice propaganda. The damage can only be arrested at this point. There's your cure for cancer, hope that blinded you with science
Jennie Trott Finley By
the way, while we're discussing "natural", anyone want to inform this
guy that several species of mammals throughout the natural world have the
ability to re-absorb their already-conceived fetuses when they deem conditions
not prime to support offspring? Gee, sounds JUST like a pregnancy termination
to me.
January
21 at 10:03am · Edited · Like · 5
Alicia Harkness Too bad
MLK was an ardent supporter of reproductive rights and Planned Parenthood and
one of the original recipients of the Margaret Sanger award.
And too bad no one actually says "it's a blob of tissue." It doesn't matter that a fetus is human: it's using a woman's body and she has the right to remove it if she has not given or revokes consent.
And too bad no one actually says "it's a blob of tissue." It doesn't matter that a fetus is human: it's using a woman's body and she has the right to remove it if she has not given or revokes consent.
Elijah Cherkez Jennie, I am
familiar with Rh+ / Rh-...and that condition is a disease, which I am grateful
that our medicine is far advanced to treat that. That is a heroic act when a
human intervenes in such disease and causes a survival of the baby. Abortion is
not a medical disease... that is why people call it a "choice".
Moreover, abortion is the opposite of this condition because in Rh factor
condition the body is rejecting the surface receptors on the cell (Rh), but in
abortion...the body wants to retain the baby yet the mother's
"choice" is to go against her body's and commit this act. In Rh case,
the human involvement through medicine, saves the baby, in abortion the human
involvement kills the baby.
Sharon Michelle B Lindsey he's
been banned from two pages so far.
Lindsey Morgan Did NARAL punt
his ass off their page?
Sharon Michelle B Yep they
just did Lindsey.
Lindsey Morgan Awesome.
I think people's brain cells were starting to suicide.
I think people's brain cells were starting to suicide.
Jackie Turner Elijah,
how cold abortion be a disease? That's like saying tumor removal is a disease.
Jackie Turner Yep.
NARAL booted him.
Elijah Cherkez I welcome any
conversation of those that are seeking the truth, reason and science. I am not
going to argue with people that want to hate me for my knowledge, rooted in
science. I thought we are in the era of science and reason!
Samantha Thompson What
baby?
Lindsey Morgan "that want
to hate me for my knowledge, rooted in science. I thought we are in the era of
science and reason!"
Honey, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground on the topics of science and reason. You've proven that time and again.
Honey, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground on the topics of science and reason. You've proven that time and again.
Jae Marino Elijah, you've been
lied to. You have been seriously, seriously, gravely lied to. You have been
robbed of a truly educated, worthwhile and productive existence. You cannot get
those years of walking in ignorance and darkness back, but you can turn this
ignorance around. Silence your ego. What they told you were lies. You see that
now, I know you do!
Sharon Michelle B The
truth is...MY life, MY body, MY pregnancy, MY choice...PERIOD. You little
fellow have NO truth or facts.
Sheila Hamilton Elijah,
your claims to want a genuine dialogue are bogus; you don't. You want to place
the demands of a non-viable embryo above the humanity and dignity of a
breathing, thinking, feeling woman who is in a situation where she genuinely
feels she could not bring up a child. What about your acknowledgement of OUR
humanity? Or are we only carriers, walking wombs?
Katie Einloth All studies
that conclude abortion leads to cancer are comparative studies - not
scientific. As a self-proclaimed scientist you should be well aware of the
differences. The "researchers" looked at the medical files of women
with cancer to see what percentage had an abortion. The "studies" do
not account for 1) genetics 2) medications the women have used. 3) diet 4)
extensive exposure to chemicals and radiation in the woman's life time 5) other
diseases the woman has had 6) and any thing else that could have given the
woman cancer. The "studies" also never mention what percentage of the
women looked at had miscarriages, how many children non-postive abortive women
have, what type of abortion they had, at what week in the pregnancy they
aborted, if they aborted for medical conditions.... Highly flawed, my friend.
And you completly invalidated yourself within this post by bringing up these
studies.
Jackie Turner Elijah,
what makes you think any of us hate you?
Elijah Cherkez Jae, please
point out one lie that I have said.
Elijah Cherkez Can you think
of one? I strived to speak the truth, to the best of science, and reason.
Lisa Kitchen
"abortion causes cancer"
Elijah Cherkez Lisa, there's
the hard truth. I don't wish that on anyone.
Samantha Thompson You
can't say you speak the truth if you can't prove your abortion causes cancer.
Kelly Williams And yet,
you're a-ok with dehumanizing the woman, as if she's not involved in this
equation. Her life, which is already well established and contributing to
society is non-existent, a blob of tissue that requires no exception, no
thought, no consideration whatsoever. And, biologically, medically speaking, a
fetus isn't a human life. It's a potential life. Potential doesn't = actual.
Spritually, it isn't yet separate from the mother, and if your Christian, in
the bible, god doesn't breath life into a baby until the baby draws first
breath.
January
21 at 10:13am · Edited · Like · 6
Tera Powers You strive to
force births. Stop fucking lying.
Michael Lang Sex
hangups.
Also, no one here hates you. Some of us pity you, some of us are laughing at your expense, all of us wonder if you see the opposite sex as nothing more than incubators.
Maybe you can answer that for us?
Also, no one here hates you. Some of us pity you, some of us are laughing at your expense, all of us wonder if you see the opposite sex as nothing more than incubators.
Maybe you can answer that for us?
Lindsey Morgan "pregnancy
is good because it's natural"
Granted, I'm paraphrasing because you rambled, but there it is.
Granted, I'm paraphrasing because you rambled, but there it is.
Elijah Cherkez It has been
proven by multiple researchers around the world. Please search PubMed and you
will see.
Lisa Kitchen
"pregnancy is beneficial"
Yet can't explain how
Yet can't explain how
Lindsey Morgan "what makes
you think any of us hate you?"
Self-aggrandizing personality?
No one hates you, poppet. You're not worth the time or energy.
Self-aggrandizing personality?
No one hates you, poppet. You're not worth the time or energy.
Tera Powers Jesus Christ.
Samantha Thompson I'll
believe CDC, NIH, and WHO.
Samantha Thompson
**NHI
Christianne Hudson Oh,
so you mean you are only going to address those you think you can win an
argument against? Nevermind those of us who have picked apart your argument or
called you out on your use of misquotes and lies. I stated the truth in the
fact that you have sullied the memory of Reverend Dr. King when you took his
quote and misquoted it to suit your ideals that you think might be situated in
facts.
Your argument on this page has been picked apart, refuted, and links given. Now, I ask you again, are you going to address my comments or shall I claim this as a vote of no confidence in your own argument? I am waiting.
Your argument on this page has been picked apart, refuted, and links given. Now, I ask you again, are you going to address my comments or shall I claim this as a vote of no confidence in your own argument? I am waiting.
Tera Powers Even if abortion
and cancer were linked it's none of your business whether women decide to have
one.
Lindsey Morgan "It has
been proven by multiple researchers around the world."
You've already been called on the bullshit.
Cite your sources here or shut up.
You've already been called on the bullshit.
Cite your sources here or shut up.
Elijah Cherkez It's true, a
pregnancy is beneficial for the mother. The relationship is mutual. I have to
resort to short answers due to so many replies on here, but please ask me
later, and I may go into details:)
Jae Marino Elijah, everything
you've said on all of these pages have been lies. You are merely regurgitating
everything that's been fed to you.
Katie Einloth It has never
been proven. Comparative studies ARE NOT scientific studies. As a
self-proclaimed scientist you should know the difference.
Tera Powers Lots of birth
control methods carry health risks, too. And so does sex, for that matter. Let
people make their own decisions.
Cindy Alicia Another
mansplainer?
Tera Powers Oh, Doogie
Howser, you have picked the wrong forum. PPA is full of brainiac women and men
who will eviscerate you, and no smiley face is gonna save your ass. Run along.
Samantha Thompson
He'll try the debunked stem cell crap.
Katie Einloth Death is not a
"healthy" aspect of pregnancy. Neither is gastational diabetes and
the over 100 medical conditions that can arise.
Tera Powers Shit, my brother
spent a FORTUNE paying for my nephew's UC Davis education. To think snot-nosed
little buttinkskis with zero knowledge of their own fucking MAJOR will claim to
come from the same school? My brother would explode.
Jae Marino I'm not saying the
people who told you all of these things are evil, but...they're rotten dirty
fuckin liars.
Cindy Alicia "It's true, a
pregnancy is beneficial for the mother. The relationship is mutual."
Only a man who will never know what it's like to be pregnant would say this.
Only a man who will never know what it's like to be pregnant would say this.
Elijah Cherkez Lindsey, I
don't want to do all the work... I want a team effort... please search PubMed.
Once the responses cool down I can provide you with the link to the studies
done all over the world.
Lindsey Morgan " I don't
want to do all the work."
That's obvious, poppet.
But when you come on here making shit claims, you better damn well be ready to back them up.
And if you know, even a little, of what you're talking about, you would be able to link an article or two.
Stop being dense.
That's obvious, poppet.
But when you come on here making shit claims, you better damn well be ready to back them up.
And if you know, even a little, of what you're talking about, you would be able to link an article or two.
Stop being dense.
Tera Powers Buzz off.
Jennie Trott Finley
Elijah, of COURSE "Abortion is not a medical disease" - it's a
TREATMENT for a medical disease. Jeez, I thought THAT much was understood.
Seriously, though, pregnancy IS a medical condition with many serious risks attached to it, and to continue to claim anything different only shows your complete ignorance of the process. There are conditions that can only be treated by termination of the pregnancy - in prime conditions, that termination may end in a live birth, but sometimes that outcome is not possible.
Seriously, though, pregnancy IS a medical condition with many serious risks attached to it, and to continue to claim anything different only shows your complete ignorance of the process. There are conditions that can only be treated by termination of the pregnancy - in prime conditions, that termination may end in a live birth, but sometimes that outcome is not possible.
Lindsey Morgan Feel like I'm
arguing with a five year old.
"But I don't wanna!"
"But I don't wanna!"
Elijah Cherkez Do you
sincerely want evidence?
Tera Powers Are there any
diseases that aren't "medical?" And how the fuck did you get into
Davis?
Jae Marino You want a
"team effort"?
What do you think this is, a game show?
What do you think this is, a game show?
Lindsey Morgan We want you to
cite your sources when you make claims.
Numerous people have told you this.
Numerous people have told you this.
Katie Einloth He's refusing
to post links because he knows all the studies state they're comparative and
not scientific.
Sharon Michelle B READ the
links provided for you.
Elijah Cherkez Jennie, what
is the medical disease called?
Tera Powers I feel like
sending a screen shot of this to the dean of the Biology dept. at UCD.
Tera Powers "I don't
want to be bothered with research.'
Tera Powers Hey jackass:
Women DIE IN PREGNANCY.
Katie Einloth "do you
seriously want evidence?"...... Uhh. That is what Lindsey has been asking
for, is it not?
Jae Marino Oh, I get it.
Elijah is obviously enjoying all this female attention. Big surprise. He's
being a bad little boy and milking it for all its worth. Some changes within
his mind have probably been made, but he's gonna ride this one all the way out
to hoping he'll catch a glimpse of a slipped nip or something.
Michael Lang Lol
Tera. Do it.
Elijah Cherkez Sure, I
welcome dialogue. I would love to debate anyone, anywhere on this topic and it
might even be fun to watch and learn something.
Tera Powers Anyone using the
term "medical disease" does not belong in a conversation like this.
Elijah Cherkez I have no
fear of science, reason or medicine... I am on their side.
Christianne Hudson I'm
going to address everyone else in this thread and say the amount of evidence
you guys have piled up against his argument is astounding. Watching ya'll spank
him at his own psuedo scientific game is pure joy. Not to mention, watching him
be flustered enough to completely ignore my words was icing on the cake. You
guys are awesome.
Tera Powers I am no fan of
intrusive jackasses who are barely old enough to shave.
Elijah Cherkez Sorry
Christianne, what was your question... I am one and you are many, so you can
see I am limited, but I welcome your question.
Tera Powers Yes, we see you
are limited.
Sam Winchest And yet you
claim pregnancy doesn't harm women and that women should be forced to remain
pregnant and give birth
Lindsey Morgan And he continues
to piddle around.
Jae Marino Little Boy King
here wants to imagine himself in control and maneuver everyone into looking
things up on the internet. Sorry to burst your bubble, but whoever told you
that you were powerful was just trying to get you to eat your vegetables. That
you would grow up big and strong. And you may have, but today you're realizing
that others can be stronger where it most counts.
Tera Powers https://www.facebook.com/notes/elijah-cherkez/my-national-day-of-prayer-suplication-and-petition-to-god/10150253615299289
*VERY* limited. Oy.
*VERY* limited. Oy.
Elijah Cherkez Pregnancy is
painful but benefits women in many ways.
Jackie Turner Elijah
if pregnancy didn't harm women, why is my mother still suffering from pregnancy
and giving birth?
Dawn Carman I love how
Elijah is using a pic of MLK to make his OP considering MLK supported Planned
Parenthood.
The irony is delicious.
The irony is delicious.
Cindy Alicia Elijah, you
seriously said women should be forced to remain pregnant and give birth?
Seriously?
January
21 at 10:32am · Edited · Like · 5
Tera Powers OK, this is
boring. Moving on.
Lindsey Morgan " but
benefits women in many ways."
Citation needed.
Citation needed.
Tera Powers looks up the word
"suplication" before leaving .. oh wait, it doesn't exist.
Dawn Carman What benefits
Elijah?
Elijah Cherkez Being a woman
is a responsibility. The woman should not use her position or
"choice" to pick on the life of a defenceless innoscent human, who is
related to her. That is morally and biologically wrong. Talk about the abuse of
power!
Dawn Carman Elijah
Cherkez... you do not get to lecture us on how to be women, sweetpea.
Christianne Hudson You
have eyes, Elijah. Go through the thread and read. And I am damn sure you saw
what I wrote several times because you addressed the persons in front of me,
then behind me, completely skipping over what I said. I am one person and I managed
to keep up with this thread. Unless you are intentionally skipping what i
wrote, then you have seen what I said.
Michael Lang So
you've succinctly answered our questions, though not necessarily in these exact
words:
"Yes, women are meant to be incubators!"
"Yes, women are meant to be incubators!"
Lindsey Morgan Fuck it.
I have very little time for self aggrandizing, smarmy, obviously religiously stunted idiots who think they know something but can't back up their own arguments and instead continue to ramble on with gender essentialist nonsense and logical fallacies.
It's time for tea and more important things.
I have very little time for self aggrandizing, smarmy, obviously religiously stunted idiots who think they know something but can't back up their own arguments and instead continue to ramble on with gender essentialist nonsense and logical fallacies.
It's time for tea and more important things.
Jennie Trott Finley
*facepalm*
abruption
breech birth
cephalo-pelvic disproportion
diabetes
eclampsia
ectopic pregnancy
gestational diabetes
Group B Streptococcus infection
HELLP syndrome
hypertension
hysterectomy
Intrauterine Growth Restriction (IUGR)
macrosomia (big baby)
miscarriage or stillbirth
obstetric fistula
obstetric hemorrhage
Pelvic girdle pain
placenta praevia
pre-eclampsia
premature birth, preterm labor or prematurity
uterine rupture
uterine incarceration
And that's a PARTIAL list of complications. Knock of the disingenuous "butterflies and rainbows" description of pregnancy and childbirth, Elijah, everyone here knows better than that. SOME of us here know better in very personal ways, as well... and trust me, you do NOT want to poke that bear.
abruption
breech birth
cephalo-pelvic disproportion
diabetes
eclampsia
ectopic pregnancy
gestational diabetes
Group B Streptococcus infection
HELLP syndrome
hypertension
hysterectomy
Intrauterine Growth Restriction (IUGR)
macrosomia (big baby)
miscarriage or stillbirth
obstetric fistula
obstetric hemorrhage
Pelvic girdle pain
placenta praevia
pre-eclampsia
premature birth, preterm labor or prematurity
uterine rupture
uterine incarceration
And that's a PARTIAL list of complications. Knock of the disingenuous "butterflies and rainbows" description of pregnancy and childbirth, Elijah, everyone here knows better than that. SOME of us here know better in very personal ways, as well... and trust me, you do NOT want to poke that bear.
Elijah Cherkez I want to
impart knowledge, ask a scientist to review my comments and I will gladly
answer anything that you find questionable or untrue.
Samantha Thompson My
job is being a wife and a parent to my step daughter since both her donors (not
parents but DONORS) won't/can't have anything to do with her.
Katie Einloth Abuse of power?
Its never abusive to take control of your own body. Youre just a pathetic
little boy who believes you'll get Jesus brownie points by trying to control
women, using fake scientific "facts" to back yourself up all because
you believe we're mindless sheep who will follow a "big and powerful
man".
Martha Scott If you were so
pro life you'd support the lives of women and their agency to make their own
choices!! I am not a human incubator I have MY OWN autonomy and welfare to
consider. Women have rights too and they have a right to decide when we get to
have children. There are already millions of unwanted children, why create
more?!
Elijah Cherkez Samantha,
that is admirable of you! Here's a woman of honor, for being so altruistic!
Lindsey Morgan " I want to
impart knowledge, ask a scientist to review my comments and I will gladly
answer anything that you find questionable or untrue."
No, you won't, witless.
You've been asked time and again to provide sources for your claims.
You refuse.
At best, you're disingenuous. At worst, you're a misogynistic little liar.
No, you won't, witless.
You've been asked time and again to provide sources for your claims.
You refuse.
At best, you're disingenuous. At worst, you're a misogynistic little liar.
January
21 at 10:38am · Edited · Like · 2
Dawn Carman Oh poor Elijah
assumes NONE of us have medical/scientific knowledge.
A mansplainer, indeed. Lmao
A mansplainer, indeed. Lmao
Elijah Cherkez I am waiting
for people to give me a quick respite and then I will get you those sources
Samantha Thompson But
my job is also to decide IF I want children. Trust me living with some of my
medical conditions, I wish my pro liar mother would have aborted me.
Dawn Carman Being a
stepmother isn't good enough for you?
Jae Marino "Being a woman
is a responsibility. The woman should not use her position or
"choice" to pick on the life of a defenceless innoscent human, who is
related to her. That is morally and biologically wrong. Talk about the abuse of
power!"
Well well well. And there it is. Elijah, like so many other men (and women brainwashed to be ashamed of it), have a problem with women having power. We did not need a PhD to be reminded of this. We saw it coming. We always ride them out till they stop and spit this one out. And it always happens. We see, through our worthy work, what the problem actually is. Pregnancy renders a woman powerless in so many ways. If women aren't pregnant, no telling what we might do. Why, we might choose to not cook dinner and clean. Instead, we might decide to get in government or worse, take up some jobs that men assume they need to prove their ever-faltering egos.
Well well well. And there it is. Elijah, like so many other men (and women brainwashed to be ashamed of it), have a problem with women having power. We did not need a PhD to be reminded of this. We saw it coming. We always ride them out till they stop and spit this one out. And it always happens. We see, through our worthy work, what the problem actually is. Pregnancy renders a woman powerless in so many ways. If women aren't pregnant, no telling what we might do. Why, we might choose to not cook dinner and clean. Instead, we might decide to get in government or worse, take up some jobs that men assume they need to prove their ever-faltering egos.
January
21 at 10:40am · Edited · Like · 7
Katie Einloth To impart
knowledge you must actually impart knowledgle. You've done nothing but post
misinformation under the guise of forcing your religious psycho babble of how
"women were created to be sex and birthing slaves"
Martha Scott A biological cis
man telling us about pregnancy and abortion rights?! Elijah gets to make the
rules when he's able to have children!!
Elijah Cherkez Yes you can
decide but not on the expense of a human life...and I am sure you know of ways
that you can decide on having children without aborting them.
Martha Scott What about cases
of pregnancy by rape?
Jackie Turner We're
picking on foetuses?
Martha Scott Elijah, fuck
you. Fuck your patriarchal oppressive bullshit
Elijah Cherkez Samantha, I
hope that you are not believing this lie of abortion so much to the point that
you are projecting it on your own life. You are precious
Dawn Carman Half of
abortions are done by women who were taking preventative measures, Elijah.
Cindy Alicia I always love how
"pro life" men pretend that abortion affects their life, because
obviously their abortion senses tingle everytime a woman gets one.
Katie Einloth My
responsibility as a child-free woman is to ensure I bring 0.0% of unwanted
children into this twisted worled via my vagina..... Your claims on "what
a woman should be" have nothing to do with my desires.
Lisa Kitchen Still waiting
on those "benefits"
Katie Einloth No human life
gets to exist at the expense of my body. Get it right, tiny dick.
Lisa Kitchen Why do you
think it's a good idea to have someone gestated where they're unwanted?
Do you like when people have newborns and throw them into dumpsters?
Do you like when people have newborns and throw them into dumpsters?
Dan 'Eazy' Boseley Save all the
babies while simultaneously hanging the homosexuals. That is all. Logic at its
finest.
Elijah Cherkez Dawn, please
finish the sentence... preventative measures of what? What are they trying to
prevent?
Meg MacLean No one gets to
use my body. Period. No one should be forced to be pregnant. Period. I have a
right to life, my husband has a right to save his wife's life. I have a right
to exist. Fuck your patriarchy. No one but ME gets to decide when I get
pregnant and if I carry to term. It is MY body, MY choice MY RIGHT.
January
21 at 10:49am · Edited · Like · 7
Alicia Harkness I think
the real question is if he likes when women die. Because ban abortion and
that's exactly what happens. More women die in childbirth and more women die
from unsafe, illegal abortions.
Elijah Cherkez Yup Meg, I
agree you have the right to life! ... Please also check the thread above to see
the context and the science behind what I said. I love dialogue.
Jae Marino I find your
attempts to be controlling and manipulative tasteless and obvious.
Lisa Kitchen He has 0
reading comprehension skills.
Katie Einloth I don't care if
its proven 100% without a doubt that the fetus I'm carrying is Jesus fucking
Christ. I will abort. Then after my abortion I'll tap dance my way through life
with a smile on my face for the joy of making the right decision for my life
and my body. And I'll throw tissues at you and your religiousally demented ilk,
because you'll be crying rivers because your prayers had zero effect.
Lisa Kitchen Seeing how he
has no interest in women I don't think he cares much about their death
Dawn Carman Oh lord Elijah
Cherkez. Learn English.
Preventative measures=birth control. I am not surprised you didn't understand a big word.
Preventative measures=birth control. I am not surprised you didn't understand a big word.
January
21 at 10:51am · Edited · Like · 7
Cindy Alicia "Martha Scott
What about cases of pregnancy by rape?"
Well, Elijah?
Well, Elijah?
Jae Marino Your attempts to
appeal to the respect choicers have for science using pseudo-science and your
own bent "philosophies" as well as twisted views of what women
"should" be are painfully obvious. You should be most embarrassed.
Elijah Cherkez Jae, what did
I say that is not true? Please point it out.
Jennie Trott Finley
Right, Cindy? I'm still waiting for him to tell me that none of the twenty-two
pregnancy complications that I listed are medical diseases or complications.
Katie Einloth I predict that
he's going to provide "scientific evidence" that a woman's body shuts
down when raped, and won't allow for a pregnancy.
Jackie Turner Elijah
where do you stand on abortion is cases of rape?
Meg MacLean oh and let's not
forget FATAL fetal anomalies that are not compatible at all with life! My
fiance and I have talked at length about this. If that were to happen we would
terminate, because it is cruel to allow suffering. And he holds my life above
all else.
Katie Einloth For starters,
Elijah, you started you have a biology degree. You've proven thats a lie!
I Love Abortions Aww, someone
doesn't understand the right to bodily integrity. So adorable.
Allisyn Joy Kearney Elijah-
simple question. Do you know me?
I Love Abortions Pretty much
everything you said isn't true. But then, I expect you are just here for
attention.
Jennie Trott Finley
Meg, SHHHHH. I'm waiting for Elijah to poke that bear himself and see how fast
it tears his head off and feasts on his liver.
Jae Marino "Jae, what did
I say that is not true? Please point it out."
Here, you are attempting yet again to "order" someone around. Putting a "please" in front of your demand won't work. Neither will I indulge this game of yours by the weak "challenge" inherent within it. You are the one making these claims, so the burden of proof is on you. Over and over you have been challenged to provide proof of your claims, yet you have neglected to do so. This is because there is no proof for your claims. You, my fine young sportsman, have failed tremendously this day, in so many ways that it's nearly impossible to separate them.
Here, you are attempting yet again to "order" someone around. Putting a "please" in front of your demand won't work. Neither will I indulge this game of yours by the weak "challenge" inherent within it. You are the one making these claims, so the burden of proof is on you. Over and over you have been challenged to provide proof of your claims, yet you have neglected to do so. This is because there is no proof for your claims. You, my fine young sportsman, have failed tremendously this day, in so many ways that it's nearly impossible to separate them.
Christianne Hudson I
like that he still hasn't touched anything I said, especially on his use of
Reverend Dr. King's quotes to suit his psuedo science.
Elijah Cherkez Pregnancy complications
are a medical concern and our medicine is getting better at resolving those. A
big majority of abortions are due to "choice", and is promoted as
such, which is sad!
Christianne Hudson
Sadly, I don't think he realizes that the burden of proof is on him to prove
his words with links and scientific facts, seeing as there has already been
links disproving his "abortion causes cancer" words
Katie Einloth I bet he's only
christian because he's had women laugh about his tiny penis then walk out the
door. Now he goes on Christian Mingle to find himself a wife who won't have sex
before marriage..... That way she's trapped in a marriage without prior
knowledge of his .... Height problem... In attempt to be viewed as a real
christian he's taken on the hobby of preaching to women about how their bodies
are not theirs to contorl, and we are obligated to the biological functions
that the sky daddy has gifted us.
Jayme Calhoun wow, there is
really no comparison here... I wonder if it hurts to twist that much and
stretch so far...
Elijah Cherkez Dr. Martin
Luther King said, "an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice
everywhere". (paraphrased). With that I will have to leave you, for a
while. Have a nice day! We will reunite later
Elijah Cherkez Let there be
Life not Lies
Christianne Hudson
Elijah, hang it up. You have left the world of science, or psuedo science in
your case, and gone into the world of opinion backed opinion, not fact backed
opinion.
I Love Abortions Elective
abortions are 14x safer than childbirth. Thus, having an abortion is ALWAYS the
healthier alternative for my body. I will get vacuumed out. If you want to
carry to term, go for it.
I Love Abortions Aww, he is
running away to fap on Naral..
Dawn Carman Elijah Cherkez.
..you REALLY need to quit pretending MLK was on your side.
It's tacky.
It's tacky.
Jennie Trott Finley
*grin* See ya, Elijah, I won't hold my breath for your return. I know your type
- and you ALL run away when you realize you can't sell your lies to people who
have the knowledge to refute them.
River Firefly Holy
crap. Elijah was so thoroughly demolished on this thread, I pity him from the
bottom of my abortion-loving heart.
Or I would if he wasn't a patronizing, wilfully ignorant, scientifically illiterate, illogical, repetitive, misogynistic, sex essentialistic, walking appeal to nature.
Or I would if he wasn't a patronizing, wilfully ignorant, scientifically illiterate, illogical, repetitive, misogynistic, sex essentialistic, walking appeal to nature.
January
21 at 11:06am · Edited · Like · 8
Michael Lang What is
"sad" about choice?
If a fetus is threatening the woman's life, she has the CHOICE to have that fetus removed to preserve her life. Are you implying there's something wrong with that?
If a fetus is threatening the woman's life, she has the CHOICE to have that fetus removed to preserve her life. Are you implying there's something wrong with that?
Jennie Trott Finley
"Let there be (proven viable human) Life not Lies (about fetal development
and the undeniable and serious risks faced by pregnant women).
There, fixed it for you.
There, fixed it for you.
Katie Einloth Choices are
never saddening when it comes to pregnancy. Evidence? Every day women CHOOSE to
continue their pregnanies. Every day women CHOOSE to raise their children.
Every day women CHOOSE to hand their children over to adoptive parents. The
only saddening aspect is when women are preached to that pregnanct is an
obligation, as is parenting, which results in unwanted children being neglected
and abused. The neglect and abuse, in turn, leads to an highly increased chance
the child will develope dependancy issues with alcohol and drug use. In turn of
the addiction, more children are born to be neglected and abused. The cycle has
been going on for centuries and will continue til the end of human kind because
of people like Elijah.
Inga Sjoberg
Scientist my ass. He's a fucking research assistant.
Christianne Hudson I do
believe that with his hasty exit, yet again misquoting Reverend Dr. King, he is
admitting he has no facts to back up his words.
Inga Sjoberg
He's more involved with prison ministry than "science". He has a
bachelors, masters at the most.
Lindsey Morgan His stupidity is
an insult to the rest of us.
River Firefly His
stupidity is an insult to humanity. How could this idiot even finish college?
Christianne Hudson Time
to call for the troll sweep. This was unimpressive and sadly he probably will
come back wanting to spread his lies as truth, continuing to misuse MLK's words
to suit his twisted anti-choice psuedo science. People like that, excuse my
French, piss me off because they have no respect.
Inga Sjoberg
If he's a "research assistant", that usually means he's on the eight
year plan for a bachelors.
Heather RantingYooper
Who's got the fresh can of Troll-B-Gone?
Jennie Trott Finley
Cara... that is EPIC. This is for you:
Julius Handford I guess
his mom came home and told him to zip his pants up and come out of the
basement.
January
21 at 12:03pm · Edited · Like · 6
Ronald Donald
"Abortion causes cancer" Using Dr. King quotes to suit your anti
abortion propganda...Pregnancy isn't complicated...
Molly Van Horn Uh, no. My
pregnancy didn't benefit me in any way. In fact, it was slowly taking my life.
So I aborted. An actual doctor told me that if I didn't, I'd end up dead.
Molly Van Horn And when
will the non black folks stop using MLK to further their agenda? The majority
of antis don't even like blacks. Oh the sweet irony.
Sharon Kelly So according to
Elijah I should regret my abortion. WHY should I regret it?
Julius Handford Every
medical procedure has risks. So? People weigh the risks and benefits with their
doctor, not with you.
Yesterday
at 4:05am · Like · 1
Elijah Cherkez The greatest
risk of abortion is the death of your relative, which you "chose" to
die.
Julius Handford You mean
the death of the fetus? Well, yes. No shit.
Yesterday
at 4:27am · Like · 1
Julius Handford Not
everyone wants a fetus in their body.
Yesterday
at 4:27am · Like · 1
Elijah Cherkez again...fetus
is a developmental stage. Why do you avoid the issue of it's humanity?
Allisyn Joy Kearney Nobody
is saying a fetus is not human. Of course it is. The issue you are having
trouble with is personhood. A fetus is not a person.
My hair is human. My blood is human. My heart is human, my skin is human. A fetus is human. But hair, blood, heart, skin, and fetus is not a person. Is that easier to understand?
My hair is human. My blood is human. My heart is human, my skin is human. A fetus is human. But hair, blood, heart, skin, and fetus is not a person. Is that easier to understand?
Yesterday
at 7:53am · Like · 2
Elijah Cherkez If it is a
human then what you call "choice" is inhumane, because it is an
individual, it is a person!
Allisyn Joy Kearney
Cupcake, simply being human doesn't make something a person. A fetus, while
human, is not a person.
And, "inhumane": without compassion for misery or suffering.
The majority of abortions are performed long before a fetus has developed any sort of sensory ability (before it can feel anything), and those rare LTA's ,done for medical reasons, the fetus is anesthetized before it is removed. Do you know what is inhumane? Forcing a woman to carry and give birth against her will.
And, "inhumane": without compassion for misery or suffering.
The majority of abortions are performed long before a fetus has developed any sort of sensory ability (before it can feel anything), and those rare LTA's ,done for medical reasons, the fetus is anesthetized before it is removed. Do you know what is inhumane? Forcing a woman to carry and give birth against her will.
22
hours ago · Like · 1
Elijah Cherkez Functionality
or structures doesn't determine the humanity of something. There are many
humans that do not have the right structures, or the right functionality. They
are not less human for lacking those. A human is a human no matter the size.
Once it is conceived it is a unique and separate individual, prenatal human.
Science even confirms that. Every embryologist in the world knows that a
human's life begins at conception.
Elijah Cherkez Do not reffer
to a prenatal human as a fetus, if by that you are trying to deny their
humanity... it only confirms what this picture and the quote (on the left) is
saying.
Allisyn Joy Kearney Read
carefully: nobody is. Denying. That. A. Fetus. Is. Human.
A. Fetus. Is. Not. A. Person. Because. It. Is. Not. Sentient. Or. Autonomous.
Did you get that?
Fetus is the correct term. Why are you offended by that? A fetus is a fetus. That is what it is.
A. Fetus. Is. Not. A. Person. Because. It. Is. Not. Sentient. Or. Autonomous.
Did you get that?
Fetus is the correct term. Why are you offended by that? A fetus is a fetus. That is what it is.
21
hours ago · Like · 2
Sharon Michelle B It is a
fetus. Why do big words scare you?
20
hours ago · Like · 3
Sharon Kelly "Do not
reffer to a prenatal human as a fetus" Why not that's what they are. Look
at an ultrasound. it says FGA meaning FETAL Gestational Age. NO where on an
ultrasound does it say "the baby weighs X amount" or "the baby
is X amount of weeks". Why does the word FETUS scare you so much.
19
hours ago · Like · 2
Sharon Kelly Would
Blastocyte be better? Zygote? Embryo? Clump of goo? Splitting cells
19
hours ago · Like · 1
Sharon Kelly "The
greatest risk of abortion is the death of your relative," Which one of my
relatives will die if I abort? My cousin? My sister? My brother? My mom? My
Auntie? Maybe my grandma died because I had an abortion in 1987.
19
hours ago · Like · 2
Samantha Thompson Nope
z/e/f, and it is not dehumanizing.
19
hours ago · Like · 1
Kristen Knoll That has to be
one of the oddest and most foolish arguments against abortion that I have ever
heard. One of my relatives will die if I abort? Lol...I'd love to hear the
logic behind that.
19
hours ago · Like · 2
Elijah Cherkez Shannon...all
of those names are developmental stages, yet they are humans! That is why
people should reffer to them as babies or prenatal humans. Fetus is ok as long
as you don't mean to use that term to negate the fact that they are humans.
Sharon Kelly No shit the
FETUS is HUMAN! What ELSE would a HUMAN female be pregnant with? Beagles? Maine
coons? Dalmations? Oh I know she's pregnant with a siamang FETUS
10
hours ago · Like · 2
Sharon Kelly The ARE a
FETUS. Zygote, blastocyte, embryo, fetus ALL the same thing: human. Are you
really this stupid or do you fucking practice it?
10
hours ago · Like · 2
Sharon Kelly No one SHOULD
do anything. In that vein of thinking everyone SHOULD drive a Rolls Royce.
Everyone SHOULD have everything they want. You SHOULD call the thing what it
is: a fucking fetus.
10
hours ago · Like · 1
Sharon Kelly You make me
want to get pregnant, abort, get pregnant and abort again. Plus video tape the
abortion. Name it after you AND make a very large donation to Planned
Parenthood in YOUR NAME.
10
hours ago · Like · 1
Sharon Kelly And
Elizahdouche my name is ShaRon NOT shannon.
Elijah Cherkez Sharon, I'm
glad that you agree that they are humans. Honestly most are in denial about the
humanity part, so I congratulate you on believing this truth!
Jackie Turner Elijah,
I've not once heard a pro choice person say that a foetus isn't human. That
argument comes from prolifers, they just make arguments up. They may as well
just "debate" with themselves.
5
hours ago · Like · 2
Jackie Turner Why
should you refer to a foetus as a baby? It isn't one. Do you refer to seeds as
trees? Do you think a car engine is a fully functioning car?
5
hours ago · Like · 2
Elijah Cherkez Jackie, it is
a baby...an ofspring, the little one, which is what a foetus means in Latin
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